Farewell to thee D&D


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If I am not mistaking him with an other Celtavian (or someone with a very similar name) on this board, he did play the game. And I also remember his tone changing a lot for a while (and to be honest, he seemed to become a little aggressive in 'promoting' 4E for a while then), and now he is suddenly back.
*shrugs*
I am not sure what changed again, but well, maybe is nice to know that some people can actually change their opinions on the message boards. ;)

I am SO GLAD I'm not the only one that thinks it was Celtavian that did that!

Yeah, he wasn't too into 4e for awhile, until he played and said he really enjoyed it (though even then he said there were things that were really niggling at him). I guess those things eventually got too irksome.
 

FWIW, I like the 4e monster system in general, but I do miss a bit of simulationism, because it helps give a yardstick to the PCs achievements, and also because sometimes I like an NPC or a monster to fight on the party's side.

It is nice that you can make a dragon's breath wipe out an army just because, but it cheapens the party's victory over the dragon if the dragon can't unleash his full, demonstrated power "just because" (as opposed to the PCs strategizing).

Fiat can be nice but it helps if it's not transparent.
 

The OP obviously wanted some catharsis by making the post, so that is done.

Ultimately, the way to vote is with your time and your wallet.

I've just been listening to the latest 2d6 Feet podcast where they make note of a (obviously commentable) number of people heading back and trying out 1E again. Has anyone else noticed such a trend? Goodman Games brought out 1E adventures at Gen Con this year???

Curious as to the jump from 4E to 1E f this is the case.
 

ITo give an easy example, rituals. Some people LIKED being able to summon up Tensor's Disk or some other little helpful thing with the flick of a wrist. Standing in the middle of town, summoning a horse with a single magical word and hopping on it is FUN, and it gave players a nice sense of fun and most importantly MAGIC. Spending 10 min drawing a magical circle and chanting to summon up a horse is NOT as much fun, and really it gets annoying to have townspeople coming up to you and asking wth you're doing (and thats WITHOUT the pitchforks). Coughing up 70 gold worth of material also takes a bit of fun out of it, makes it more of a transaction then an act of magic.

See to me casting a ritual using incense, circles drawn in chalk and mystic runes in order to summon a demon (or yes even magically summon a mystic disk) is very fun for me. It screams magic and behaves just like magic I've seen in movies and tv for years. The flick of the wrist magic stuff is one type of magic (and 4e still has that) but there is a whole other kind. You may not find the second magic fun but don't discount it for the rest of us.
 

Seems like one of the flash points in these threads is when one side describes the other side as "Haters" rather than just allowing them to have opinions. Maybe EN World can ban the word "hate" or have it replaced by "dislike" or a bunch of smileys.
 


I hear you Celtavian. 4e has all the substance and staying power of a 90s boy band. If you can't find people in your area willing to play 3e then you should consider gaming online/by e-mail. I've done it and I enjoyed it.
 

Yeah, I have been trying to enjoy 4th, but it does seem to be taking longer than adjusting to 3rd did.

Don't agree with all your points OP, but I do feel the need to step in and say I have the same overall feeling of discontent.

However, I may end up remarrying my old wife so who knows...
 


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