Feats: Not enough or too many?
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Dog Moon
Adventurer
Yes, but IMO, there still aren't enough to cover everything, such as previous supplements which have only seen a small amount of coverage in that single book, and yet there are many that are not worth taking.
Sometimes I feel like there are too many when forced to glance through multiple books and their pages of feats when trying to find the best feats for my characters, yet there's always times where I think 'Man, I wish there was a feat that did something like THIS.'
Edit: By the way, I voted that there are never enough, because at the minimum, new concepts are almost guaranteed to require more feats, and new concepts are always great [like Tome of Magic, for example].
Sometimes I feel like there are too many when forced to glance through multiple books and their pages of feats when trying to find the best feats for my characters, yet there's always times where I think 'Man, I wish there was a feat that did something like THIS.'
Edit: By the way, I voted that there are never enough, because at the minimum, new concepts are almost guaranteed to require more feats, and new concepts are always great [like Tome of Magic, for example].
Psion
Adventurer
I didn't respond to the poll.
I feel there are enough for my purposes, though they are probably the easiest way to expand character options. Classes and skills come with their own brand of baggage.
Between the PHB, XPH, PHB II, Hyperconscious, the Completes, Year's Best d20, Planar Handbook, Stormwrack, and Dragon Compendium, and Ronin Arts "202 feats"*, I think you could find just about anything you would need for my game, but I don't dismiss the possibility that there will be more that I feel are appropriate to my game in some new product.
* - Thats 2 101 feat collections, natch.
I feel there are enough for my purposes, though they are probably the easiest way to expand character options. Classes and skills come with their own brand of baggage.
Between the PHB, XPH, PHB II, Hyperconscious, the Completes, Year's Best d20, Planar Handbook, Stormwrack, and Dragon Compendium, and Ronin Arts "202 feats"*, I think you could find just about anything you would need for my game, but I don't dismiss the possibility that there will be more that I feel are appropriate to my game in some new product.
* - Thats 2 101 feat collections, natch.
Glyfair
Explorer
I tend to agree with the sentiment that there are probably too many feats out there, as a total number. On the other hand, there are certainly new feats I'd like to see.
One thing I think I would eventually like to see is a top-down reassement of feats, at least from WotC. I'm willling to wait, because something like that would probably require a new edition, and I'm not ready for that.
A lot of feats out there could be combined into a couple of meta-feats that could be adjusted (at least by DMs). There also could be a reorganization of feats into more sensible categories, so that feats are easier to find (ala fighting feats, skill feats, etc).
One thing I think I would eventually like to see is a top-down reassement of feats, at least from WotC. I'm willling to wait, because something like that would probably require a new edition, and I'm not ready for that.
A lot of feats out there could be combined into a couple of meta-feats that could be adjusted (at least by DMs). There also could be a reorganization of feats into more sensible categories, so that feats are easier to find (ala fighting feats, skill feats, etc).
delericho
Legend
Glyfair said:
I think in my ideal univese, 4e wouldn't change the core mechanic of the game at all, would feature a few small but needed tweaks to things like combat mechanics and such, but would mostly be concerned with top-down rethinks of classes/PrCs, feats, CRs, action types, spells and metamagic, and so forth. The core of the game would remain the same, but most of the material around that core would be changed quite considerably.
In my ideal universe, 4e would also be published in two versions: the lite version consisting of the PHB/DMG/MM, and the deluxe version that consists of about a dozen books: A core rulebook, then books for feats, spells, psionics, magic items, classes, monsters, and so on, essentially reprinting the entirety of 3e, but done in a consistent and complete manner (between MM, MMII, MMIII, MMIV, FF and the sourcebooks, there's probably enough monsters for two or three books the size of the current MM, so I'd rather have three books).
I know, of course, that that's not going to happen. And, not wanting to derail this thread too far (and knowing how 4e discussions annoy so many people here), I'll say no more.
Gold Roger
First Post
Are there to many feats? Yes
Are there enough feats? NO
Thing is, many feats to date are useless and badly designed. Yet there are massive amounts of feats that should exist/concepts that could need some good feats to support them.
We don't simply need more feats, we need more good feats.
Are there enough feats? NO
Thing is, many feats to date are useless and badly designed. Yet there are massive amounts of feats that should exist/concepts that could need some good feats to support them.
We don't simply need more feats, we need more good feats.
Bagpuss
Legend
Tuzenbach said:So, aren't there like, 1000+ feats at this point?
I think there are enough feats, but more isn't a problem. Unfortunately the classes (even a fighter) don't actually get enough.
So many interesting feats don't get taken because there are more powerful 'must have' feats, or the player is having to get other feats inorder to get the one they really want, or a prestige class they want.
Personally I think players should get a feat every odd level (if not every level), I say odd as it means 5th level is no longer a dead level.
