Female Dragonborn - No longer have breasts?

[Andor]

Dragon with ghetto booty, now there's a mental image not to get.

Or this...
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[Quenditar]

Dragons (and dragonborn) aren't lizards. They're archosaurs. (Technically they aren't anything, but they look and act most like archosaurs, and that's where everyone trying to find a real-world parallel looks.) However, archosaurs don't have boobs either. Which is why dragons and dragonborn look wrong with them. I understand the signal set "vertical torso, flat = human male/child" and "vertical torso, boobs = human adult female", but I feel the artist is insulting my intelligence by assuming I can't understand any other system.

Also, huge boobs on creatures that shouldn't have them are associated with yiff, and yiff is not something I want in my game.

As for the gods - there are ten thousand sorts of creatures in the world, of which how many like boobs? Five? Who's catering to the other 9,995?

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Dragonborn are humanoid so they can wear clothes, use weapons, perform kung fu, etc. Breasts, however, serve no purpose. You could make the same drawing with or without drabonboobs, and it would be about the same. Unless, of course, dragonborn really do nurse their young. Which seems implausible. I'm okay with any level of anthropomorphism that allows them to work as characters, up to and including speaking English for our benefit in the tie-in novels. But boobs seem so gratuitous.

"Um, it's female," sounds exactly like the conversation PCs should be having about a dragonborn, IMO.

Why do we need clothes, weapons and kung fu, but not the ability to distinguish between male and female? I think all these aspects are important for people to be able to identify with a race.

I understand the signal set "vertical torso, flat = human male/child" and "vertical torso, boobs = human adult female", but I feel the artist is insulting my intelligence by assuming I can't understand any other system.

It's not about insulting intelligence, it's about identification.

 

[0bsolete]

Well, if we are going to decide that the dragonborn are reptilian, then my worries aren't about the problems with boobs. What about artic campaigns? How does the cold blooded dragonborn handle that. Do they have to spend 14 hours sunbaking just to be able to function? What about usage of poisons. Does cold based damage cause stunning or loss of dexterity since it affects their blood temperature more so? How do dragonborn develop a self-identity, social skills, or even the most base aspects of interpersonal definition and relations if they are never actually taught by a parental figure? Can there be such thing a dragonborn town if there is no such thing as a dragonborn family?

To sum it up. In my campaigns, dragonborn will have boobs. Not because I am a perv but instead, simply because if I assume they are reptilian and thus unable to have boobs, I also have to make my dragonborn players socially inept characters with no effective understanding of interpersonal communications and a vital need to sit in the sun for a time period or potentially die because their blood is too cold while also blocking them off from various temperature ranges, not even taking into account inner-mountain dungeons, anything underground for long periods of time much less anything to do with the underdark.

Yes, there are many ways to say something is female. But the most obvious IS indeed boobs. So that'll work for my fantasy. Game. I'm playing a game in which people create something out of nothing, defy gravity, fight creatures that fly, breath pure elements and where cold is a sentient lifeform. Boobs on a creature that looks to be a human with some scales and a bit of plastic surgery isn't my chief concern if I'm bringing in evolutionary patterns and physics.

Also, if there is no family for a dragonborn, there is no real learning for a dragonborn. Not in the way we think of it. So, this means we have a creature that lived at least a portion of its life fully on instincts. No language, no writing, no abstract concepts, pure instinct. This means that, even after mutliple years in civilization we have an entire race created towards "Thurg no like elf, thurg smash" because of a lack of even the most base concept of social interaction. Which would you prefer people? Clearly sexually defined dragonborn, or a race with more problems than they are worth?

 

[DandD]

Meh, in the end, it depends on the gaming group. Some don't want Dragonborn females to have breasts with nipples, because they feel like perverts who are all into that yffing stuff and whatever abominable thing the internet spawned, and others don't have a problem with that.

As for the matter, I am curious what the picture of the female dragonborns will look like in the Players Handbook.

Hahahahahaha...

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Why do we need clothes, weapons and kung fu, but not the ability to distinguish between male and female? I think all these aspects are important for people to be able to identify with a race.

It's not about insulting intelligence, it's about identification.

Suggesting that boobs are the only or best way to differentiate male and female is most certainly insulting to the intelligence of everyone involved.

If you want good gender differentiation in a fantasy reptilian species, just look at the Iksar from EQ/EQ2. No boobs, but different body-shapes, and importantly head/crest shapes make them very distinct from each other, and perfectly easy to identify with.

http://vnmedia.ign.com/eq2vault.ign.com/images/races/300x300_iksar_31may05.gif

That's a terrible picture, too, in-game they look much better. We don't need no boobs on our lizardfolk, stranger!

 

[Piratecat]

If you want good gender differentiation in a fantasy reptilian species, just look at the Iksar from EQ/EQ2.

Pff. 4e is SUCH a computer game!

Hey RE, drop me a note with your email. I tried to email you ages ago, but your ENW account has an old address that now bounces. Thanks.

 

[0bsolete]

Suggesting that boobs are the only or best way to differentiate male and female is most certainly insulting to the intelligence of everyone involved.

If you want good gender differentiation in a fantasy reptilian species, just look at the Iksar from EQ/EQ2. No boobs, but different body-shapes, and importantly head/crest shapes make them very distinct from each other, and perfectly easy to identify with.

http://vnmedia.ign.com/eq2vault.ign.com/images/races/300x300_iksar_31may05.gif

That's a terrible picture, too, in-game they look much better. We don't need no boobs on our lizardfolk, stranger!

Of course, when we look at the picture, we note that these creatures look human. Do you also have problems with dragonborn being bipedal? Most lizards aren't bipedal. What about abstract thinking? Usage of weapons and armor. Having thumbs. In fact, even relying on vision instead of smell or other senses. These are humans with a dragon touch, not lizards made bipedal.

 

[DandD]

Yo, any Wizardy 7/8-players here? How big-breasted were your female Dracons?

D&D is so Wizardry... And Wizardry started as a computer-clone of D&D.

 

[Mad Mac]

Yo, any Wizardy 7/8-players here? How big-breasted were your female Dracons?

*Shakes Fist* I've restarted Wizardry 8 too many times in my life already. Don't go tempting me to reinstall it, darn you!

Suggesting that boobs are the only or best way to differentiate male and female is most certainly insulting to the intelligence of everyone involved.

If you want good gender differentiation in a fantasy reptilian species, just look at the Iksar from EQ/EQ2. No boobs, but different body-shapes, and importantly head/crest shapes make them very distinct from each other, and perfectly easy to identify with.

Honestly...she'd look better with Boobs. (I'm assuming the skinny one with bat ears is female and that fat toad is male...but I guess I could be wrong) If nothing else, it would offset her head and make her look less off balance.