Fiendish Codex II next month--Any scoop/rumors/etc.?

You know the primordial existence of Law and Chaos (but not Good and Evil) suddenly makes the Blood War make a lot more sense.

Law and Chaos were fighting before there were Archons or Eladrin.

Yeah, I'm digging it. :)
 

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Kamikaze Midget said:
You know the primordial existence of Law and Chaos (but not Good and Evil) suddenly makes the Blood War make a lot more sense.

Law and Chaos were fighting before there were Archons or Eladrin.

Yeah, I'm digging it. :)

Good and Evil existed as well actually.

The Obyriths in the Abyss predate mortal life yes, but they themselves aren't purely Chaos, they're a mix of primordial Chaos and Evil, and both of those concepts and their representatives came first in their pure forms. The theory goes that the pure alignments sprung into being first (LN, CN, NE, NG, N), then slowly mixed and the other alignments followed, along with the beings that represent them. FC:I even makes mention of the primordial NE fiends that appear to have had a hand in the creation (intentional or not) of the Obyriths and their Ancient Baatorian counterparts.

NG was around, but we really don't know anything about it's early form. We also know that something predated the Eladrin on Arborea, but again we know very little about the race, even what they truly looked like.

And as for Law and Chaos existing before Archons and Eladrins: The Archons are one of the absolute youngest outsider races, given that they develop exclusively from mortal petitioners. The Eladrin don't develop directly from petitioners, but we don't know their exact timeframe of development, only that they were around at least at the point in time to largely decimate the Obyriths shortly before the Tanar'ri took over the Abyss.
 

Catching up on this thread....

Calling the archdevils' stats "aspects"...bravo!

Killing off the Hag Countess and replacing with Glasya...I like it.

No furthering of the ancient baatorians description/history...bummer.

The monsters chapter looks interesting. I'm glad to see the inclusion of quite a few new devils to help shore up the ranks. I do find it odd that the BoVD devils were'nt selected for update, as they were in FC1.

A couple questions for morbiczer when he returns: Does FCII contain a table of notable Hells personages similar to FC1's table of demon lords? Quite a few names were dropped in Ed Greenwood's Nine Hells articles, so I could see a reason for such a list. Second question: Is there a compiled CR table for devils as in FC1? Does it alter the CR of any devils not included in the book, and does it name-drop any devils from future sources (as FC1 did with the nashrou and deathdrinker)?
 

seconding everything shade said. ;)

i'm still on the fence - need to see an actual copy, then check to see how many pennies i have in my penny jar. ;)
 

BOZ said:
seconding everything shade said. ;)

i'm still on the fence - need to see an actual copy, then check to see how many pennies i have in my penny jar. ;)

I've noticed "Donation Web Pages" work well these days. Set up a "D&D Book Donation". You might get lucky. :D

Heck, if people donate to a freakin' smashmyps3.com then I am sure some will donate for you to get more D&D books. Don't miss out! :eek:
 

Shade said:
Calling the archdevils' stats "aspects"...bravo!

This is indeed good news. Much of the stats kerfuffle the first time around seemed to be caused by this line getting omitted: I suspect it was pushed for definite inclusion this time to save the geek world a heart condition. :-)

This is probably the D&D book I'm most looking forward too for the next few months. I can only hope, being closer to HUngary than the US is, that I get it before you guys.... ;-)
 

How'd this get buried down here?

Please tell us more about the book. What're the feats? Can you give us a summary of a few of the new spells? Tell us about some of the monsters.
 

Ripzerai said:
Oh, but each of them [the Dark Eight] has a different task? Baalzephon is in charge of supply, and Dagos in the marshal of the hosts, and Furcas is in charge of mortal affairs?
No, only things like Pearza is obsessed with magic and interested in Mephistopheles' hellfire or that Baalzephon is the only surviving founding member of the Dark Eight, all other are replacements or replacments of replacements of replacements...

The nupperibos are handled correctly, minus the connection to the ancient Baatorians.
Since the Ancient Baatorians were completly left out, they could have hardly connected the nupperibos to them.

The bizarre living fortress they've made of the Hag is pretty cool, too.
Actually its more that the Hag completly fused with layer (I might have explained this misleadingly earlier.) But Glasya uses the imense skull of the Hag Countess as her fortress, so the Hag = fortress is not totally wrong.

Shade said:
Does FCII contain a table of notable Hells personages similar to FC1's table of demon lords? Quite a few names were dropped in Ed Greenwood's Nine Hells articles, so I could see a reason for such a list.
Do you mean Appendix I of FCI, titled Lords of the Abyss? There is no such table, but the description of every layer contains a subsection called "Dukes of <name of layer>" which lists some of the unique devils (not only dukes) living on that layer, together with a realy short description (like "Focalur, a unique devil, serves as Mammon's ever-loyal seneschal").

Second question: Is there a compiled CR table for devils as in FC1? Does it alter the CR of any devils not included in the book, and does it name-drop any devils from future sources (as FC1 did with the nashrou and deathdrinker)?
there is a devils-by-CR list in the Appendix, and it says that "the CR's indicated for devils listed here are official changes to more accurately reflect the challenge they provide in high-level play". But sorry, I don't know which have changed. Maybe I'll have the time tomorrow to check this out.

I don't think that any new devils named. There is another devils-by-book-they appeared-in list, and it looks as if the content of the two lists are the same.

Razz said:
Please tell us more about the book. What're the feats? Can you give us a summary of a few of the new spells? Tell us about some of the monsters.

Okay, I'm really tired, so I give you one feat, one spell, and one monster. :)

Devil's Tongue [Devil-Touched]
Prerquisites: Cha 15, Devil's Favor (An "entry feat" to all other devil-touched feats. It gives a small bonus (+2 on an attack, save, or check), which you can use a number of times per day equal to the devil-touched feats you have.)
You can speak to an opponent, if he fails a Will save (DC = 10 + 1/2 your HD + your Cha modifier), he becomes dazed for 1 round, and is rendered flat-footed. You can use this a number of times per day equal to the devil-touched feats you have.

Investiture of the Pit Fiend
Transmutation [Evil, Investiture]
Clr 9, Sor/Wiz 9
A living creature takes up some of the characteristics of a pit fiend for 1 min/ caster lvl. He grows wings, and can fly, is immune to poisons and gains fire resistance 20. In addition he takes up on of three aspects (targets choice, can change every round):
Aspect of Tyranny: Claw attacks at BAB equal its HD.
Aspect of Pestilence: Creatures within 10 ft must succeed on a Fortitude save on the spell's DC or take 2 points of Str damage.
Aspect of Terror: creatures within 10 ft must succeed on a Will save or become frightened for 2 rounds.
The target becomes fatigued for 1 minute when the spell runs out.

There are similar investiture spells for many devils, although those don't have different aspects. The effects of different investiture spells stack.

Malebranche CR14 (I hope this is a new monster, at least google doesn't seem to know it)
This devil is an expert flier, it probably looks a little bit as a gargoyle (but it is Huge). They have a fear aura, and regeneration 8. They are described as netural bullies, who like to push around smaller creatures, but "simper and mewl around their betters". After they are created (or promoted from a lesser form) they go through a brutal training program, which makes them fanatically loyal to greater baatezu. They do everything they are ordered to. Occasionally they serve as steeds to other devils. They fight either with a +1 cold iron ranseur, or with their claws.
 

morbiczer said:
Malebranche CR14 (I hope this is a new monster, at least google doesn't seem to know it)
This devil is an expert flier, it probably looks a little bit as a gargoyle (but it is Huge). They have a fear aura, and regeneration 8. They are described as netural bullies, who like to push around smaller creatures, but "simper and mewl around their betters". After they are created (or promoted from a lesser form) they go through a brutal training program, which makes them fanatically loyal to greater baatezu. They do everything they are ordered to. Occasionally they serve as steeds to other devils. They fight either with a +1 cold iron ranseur, or with their claws.

The malebranche isn't new. It was previously given stats in Monster Manual II 3rd ed and (perhaps) earlier although I don't remember that clearly.
 

BronzeGolem said:
The malebranche isn't new. It was previously given stats in Monster Manual II 3rd ed and (perhaps) earlier although I don't remember that clearly.

Damn, okay, if someone can tell me which monster is new (see the list of monsters I posted earlier), I'll write about it then.
 

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