Fiendish Codex III: Yugoloths poll

Would you like WotC to publish Fiendish Codex III for Yugoloths?

  • Yes, definitely!

    Votes: 319 71.8%
  • Nah, don't really care

    Votes: 93 20.9%
  • What are yugoloths?

    Votes: 32 7.2%

Ripzerai said:
No, it's like saying FC1 should have been about tanar'ri and other demon types. Which is exactly what it was.

Yugoloths are only one race of neutral evil fiend, just as tanar'ri are only one race of demon.

FC1 was about more than one race of fiend. So was FCII, which covered non-baatezu devils.

If FC3 covered demodands, fine, only because of the connection. If it starts covering night hags, nightmares, terlen, hordlings, and every fiend under an abyssal rock, then no.

FCI was about demons, whether it's obyriths, loumara, or tanar'ri, they were still demons. FCII covered very few nondevils. In fact, only Kalabons and Hellfire Engines weren't devils/baatezu, everything else was.

So, I agree with demodands being covered in FC3 (even though they got their treatment in Fiend Folio), because they're connected to yugoloths. But no other fiend is so they do not deserve coverage in an FC3 on yugoloths.
 

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Razz said:
FCI was about demons, whether it's obyriths, loumara, or tanar'ri, they were still demons.

"Demons" is an almost meaningless term. It just means they're chaotic evil fiends. "Devil" only means lawful evil fiends. Loumaras aren't remotely related to tanar'ri, for example.

By those loose standards, night hags, diakka, gehreleths, barghests, avari, hordlings and so on are all the same "race" as yugoloths. Of course they're not, because "NE fiend" isn't a race. But "demon" and "devil" aren't races either.

The problem is that because neutral evil fiends don't have a general name (by analogy, it would be "daemons"), you're applying to them a different standard.

Whether they're night hags, hordlings, yugoloths, or nightmares, they're all "daemons."

There are two main categories of "daemons," the spawn of the progenitors of evil (yugoloths and demodands) and the spawn of mortal souls (larvae, shades, night hags, and hordlings - arguably barghests also count because they drain life energy to mature). These two catagories are analogous to obyriths and tanar'ri. Both of these groups inhabit the same areas and their politics are fatally intertwined. Each should get a chapter in the same book.

FCII covered very few nondevils. In fact, only Kalabons and Hellfire Engines weren't devils/baatezu, everything else was.

You're acting as if devils and baatezu are synonyms. They're not.

Imps and kytons aren't baatezu, nor are soulshells or hellbred, nor are ayperobos. The Hag Countess wasn't a baatezu. Both erinyes and abishai, though they have the baatezu subtype, have seperate origins from baatezu, and are as different from baatezu as obyriths are from tanar'ri.

Claiming that the FCIII should only cover yugoloths is no different from insisting that only baatezu be covered in the FCII or only tanar'ri should be covered in the FCI.
 
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I think if you focus primarily on restating the fiends and you can fit in various other fiends into a FCIII fairly easily. Other than a small number of unique daemons there has never been so much material so as to justify many unique yugoloth write-ups.

If they have really needed space they can always cut it from the inevitable spell section.
 



Uhm having one with most of them either dead or existing outside the normal confines of reality. not so much Far Realms as gatekeepers of Reality.
 

I think it is agreed that Yugoloths could easily fit in a FC2 sized book along with other NE fiends in a Lords of Madness format, but since I doubt that the book would be made at all, how about a Dragon Magazine format?

I think the Perdido Street Station issue was wonderful.

I haven't counted up the page count devoted to the world of China Mieville in Dragon Magazine #352, but how about a Yugoloth issue? or Demonomicon-ish series of articles spread out once a quarter between the actual Demonomicon articles?
 


sckeener said:
I think it is agreed that Yugoloths could easily fit in a FC2 sized book along with other NE fiends in a Lords of Madness format, but since I doubt that the book would be made at all, how about a Dragon Magazine format?

I think the Perdido Street Station issue was wonderful.

I haven't counted up the page count devoted to the world of China Mieville in Dragon Magazine #352, but how about a Yugoloth issue? or Demonomicon-ish series of articles spread out once a quarter between the actual Demonomicon articles?

Failing a hardcover treatment, I'd love to see this. The Paizo guys do right by fiends, so in some ways it might be preferable (unless they get the Paizo guys onboard for FCIII).
 

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