Finalized Hybrid Rules - What's new?

[kilpatds]

But going say Strength Cleric/Paladin/Fighter/Warlord/Barbarian, etc. combos where general combat position is similar your arguement breaks down. If you want a squishy to be able to stand up in melee, yeah, you have to pay for it. Rightly so.

Avenger/Paladin, Avenger/Cleric.
Shaman/anything
Barbarian/Anything melee.

 

[Obryn]

I dunno, I still don't really care for the hybrid rules in general. From what I've seen, you either end with a turkey, or with a triple-classed broken combo like a Feycharger.

For those who have tried them more - is that a fair assessment? Or am I missing something?

-O

 

[Rechan]

Here's a stupid question.

What's the basis behind limiting Hybrid Talent to be taken once?

As it stands, it's a feat. A feat you have to take to get the class feature of another class. One feature per feat.

That's feats you're not spending on other things. Feats are supposed to be balanced between eachother.

So, what's the harm?

 

[Herschel]

Avenger and Swordmage are different breeds of cat. They have specific powers to mitigate wearing light (or no) armor for flavor and viability for those solo classes. And if you wear heavy armor (or wield with both hands) those benefits go away. So again, the armor restriction and spending a feat makes sense. An Avenger/Paladin is trying to fit two different types of characters in to one and spending the feat again makes sense. It's like trying to play a Paladin/Rogue: One's lightly armored, the other's a walking tin can. An Avenger/Rogue is closer in armor style.

 

[Herschel]

Here's a stupid question.

What's the basis behind limiting Hybrid Talent to be taken once?

As it stands, it's a feat. A feat you have to take to get the class feature of another class. One feature per feat.

That's feats you're not spending on other things. Feats are supposed to be balanced between eachother.

So, what's the harm?

Swordmage/Avenger (+6 to AC, +8 w/ four feats after a bit)
Fighter/Paladin/Swordmage/Warden (Markasaurus)
Etc.

 

[Rechan]

Fighter/Paladin/Swordmage/Warden (Markasaurus)

Except that any of those two classes together do all ready mark all the live-long day. The problem? Not to mention that marks supercede. And there's nothing in the Hybrid Talent powers of defender classes that would make them "Markasaurus".

 

[Stalker0]

That's feats you're not spending on other things.

This is the crux of why the limitation exists. In fact, all feats are not created equal.

WOTC built in two tiers of feats into their system. The general feats, and the special feats.

Special feats are like hybrid talent and multiclass feats. They are extra powerful compared to normal feats, with the restriction that they can only be taken once.

 

[UngeheuerLich]

I am usually not speaking about taxes... you know... but in this case, it is a tax (or post requisite) Maybe it is even justified to require this tax so nothing wrong here...

but i have the feeling, that most combinations are a bit on the lower power side... but i have not seen one in play, so I could be totally wrong.

But i stand my point: it is a tax (post requisite) which may be needed as a little balance factor.

 

[Rechan]

Except I don't think the Hybrid talent is all that powerful.

And, we allready have a class that can break the Multi-class rule. Bards can get as many multi-class feats as they want. Do they break the game, exactly?

 

[KarinsDad]

Just because a feat gives you something you desire and don't get without it doesn't make it a tax. It just makes it a feat.

The Hybrid Talent feats exist to balance the abilities of the combination of class abilities via hybrid classes. They give you something you will probably want, but the class itself doesn't give it you because it would be to strong if it did you give everything just because it's likely you will want it.

"Too strong???"

Are you kidding us? Hybrid PCs, for the most part, are way inferior to normal PCs, even with Hybrid Talent.

Hybrid Talent should have definitely been a class feature and not a feat.