Finland to pay all its citizens 800 euros a month to fight unemployment

[PurpleDragonKnight]

Ooooo! I recently bought land!

Serve me?

LOL! sure!! print some more money and call me! (keep an eye on your fellow land owners to make sure your holdings are not just 'acquired' one day...)

 

[RangerWickett]

I . . . I think that a universal basic income would warrant removing the minimum wage.

And really, school ought to do a better job teaching people how the world works. Hell, I graduated at the top of my class in high school and I didn't understand how banking or investment worked, or how to write a resume, how much savings I ought to have, how to repair anything in my house, or really how to cook anything more complicated than ramen. Part of that's on my parents, coddling me so I never knew I needed those skills, and part's on me for not being self aware enough to realize I wouldn't always be at home. But school could have helped.

Teach people how to be good shepherds of their money, or else any social program won't be as efficient as it could be.

 

[Ovinomancer]

I . . . I think that a universal basic income would warrant removing the minimum wage.

I don't, but it certainly should be greatly reduced. There is a useful point where protection from abuse is warranted, but we're already past that. Minimum wage is a horrid method for achieving a 'livable wage', whatever that means.

 

[Maxperson]

I assume therefore that you support an inheritance tax of 100%. That's unearned money based on who you were born and who your parents were. Unfair, unjust, perpetutates and accentuates inequality, and has bad effects on the economy.

Tell me, do you support 100% Inheritance Tax?

You shouldn't assume. You know what that does. No. I do not support a 100% inheritance tax. Nor do I support a 0% inheritance tax. The difference here is that the money was earned by an individual and he has the right to give it to who he wants. It should be taxed as gift income. The government does not earn the money it gives out. It takes it from those who do. One does not equal the other.

The problem Greece has is fraud, going right to the top. Such a program actually helps reduce fraud.

The problem with Greece is the entitlements. It gives waaaaaaaaaaaay too much to the people who don't earn what they are given.

Apparently all my comments have gone right over your head.

No. I get them. I just don't agree with them.

You have many, many jobs sitting around because penny-pinching companies are not prepared to pay market wages. "I can't find someone to fill this job" means "I am not prepared to pay enough to have this job filled, and am not prepared to provide training". Mysteriously the corporations aren't prepared to pay for their own workers and want even more corporate welfare than they already get.

False. These are high paying skilled worker positions. We lack skilled workers to fill them.

Equally mysteriously when people suggest programs that are explicitly designed to not keep people poor we get people like you demanding strings on any assistance given. It's a classic Catch 22.

LOL What a joke. The only people trying to keep people poor with programs is the left. The strings I'm suggesting are required training so that the person can actually contribute to society instead of being a sponge.

I'll take that as demonstrating that you know you are leeching more than your share of natural resources out of the world.

You can take it to be a pile of presents if you want. It won't make either statement true. It's exactly as I said. It does not belong here so I won't engage. If you want me to talk about the environment, start a new thread.

 

[Maxperson]

You get that some people can't learn an advanced skill right? Like we try to sugar coat it, and say people can do whatever they put their minds to, but that's some touchy feely BS you say to kids to try and motivate them to have aspirations. In reality though some people just aren't as useful as other people as far as the work force is concerned. It's just the hard facts.

Somebody in that position is mentally or physically disabled and would be covered by disability.

 

[Kramodlog]

but you also still provide a large chunk of assistance via targeted and non-fungible programs that focus on the core needs of life, food and shelter.

Like which programs? I'm curious to learn about Canada's food stamp program.

 

[Ovinomancer]

Like which programs? I'm curious to learn about Canada's food stamp program.

Sorry, but I'm not the least interested in a discussion over the specific forms of assistance Canada provides as a diversion to the topic. If you'd like me to say that Canada doesn't have a governmental food assistance program, fine, I misspoke. You do have public housing programs, so my point stands.

 

[Janx]

I . . . I think that a universal basic income would warrant removing the minimum wage.

And really, school ought to do a better job teaching people how the world works. Hell, I graduated at the top of my class in high school and I didn't understand how banking or investment worked, or how to write a resume, how much savings I ought to have, how to repair anything in my house, or really how to cook anything more complicated than ramen. Part of that's on my parents, coddling me so I never knew I needed those skills, and part's on me for not being self aware enough to realize I wouldn't always be at home. But school could have helped.

Teach people how to be good shepherds of their money, or else any social program won't be as efficient as it could be.

That's probably part on your parents for not showing you some stuff, and some on being in the top-end of high school.

I was an average student at a small school. I took wood shop, cooking, sewing, welding, small engine repair among the many classes I took. As such, I apparently have a better real world education. I have met other folks, who didn't get any of those classes, because that's where the hoodlums were. They were instead taking Advanced Placement classes. Given that I ended up in a Fortune 20-something corporate right out of college, I'd say that AP crap wasn't worth it...

An argument could be made that high school students don't need to learn resumes. No job only requiring a high school diploma should have more than an application form (elitist, but somewhat true). College should be teaching that skill (and mine did) because jobs requiring college degrees SHOULD be applied for with a resume (barring the internet era where it's all a form online).

I should also note I learned about the stock market (and played and won the stock market game in class). Pretty sure there's a basic math class for balancing checkbooks, but that class was remedial (for kids who couldn't hack trig and beyond).


Education is complex. Clearly we aren't all getting the same material. Sometimes, that's a problem. And for all the stuff RW cites that he missed, has he caught up? Buy a house, and one usually learns quite a few skills if you can't afford to keep hiring a handyman for everything.

 

[PurpleDragonKnight]

I think the main problem these days is the insistence on companies to be headquartered in big cities. This artificially jacks up real estate, which results in people having to rent forever or do a 2 hour commute each way. You also have some collusion between banks (who issue the mortgages), municipalities (who can increase municipal taxes if your house is worth more), and real estate companies (who get bigger bonuses when you sell/buy houses). I don't think these three sectors (in Canada anyway) are hurting at all. They're rolling out record profits each year.

Now, if enough companies could be convinced to move to small towns or rural areas, lower house prices in these regions would help people have a more reasonable lifestyle. More savings for retirement. Mortgage paid sooner so your net worth can increase and you end up investing more instead of just turning your whole income to banks who do the investing for themselves, thank you very much. Basically the small guys end up with a piece of the pie again. Which the banks probably don't want... so... yay for supercities!

Companies moving to small towns would benefit them as well (low office rents or straight out ownership of building). However there would be challenges in relocating all those workers from big cities. A lot of people working in cities are born and raised there and are not willing to trade that lifestyle for small town suburbs. They also lose access to ethnic/religious community support that the big cities give them. However I'm aware of a few organizations that have made the switch successfully, after a lot of cajoling to those employees (field trips to those towns and "welcome" receptions by local small town mayors). The main draw for everyone is that you trade your million dollar house for an even bigger house in the country that's worth half of your city house... and singlehandedly finish off your mortgage in the process, and then you're in the black from then on...

 

[tomBitonti]

False. These are high paying skilled worker positions. We lack skilled workers to fill them.

The idea applies for skilled positions. Most often it seems to be coupled with requests to increase H1B visa quotas (non-immigrant speciality worker visas).

Anyways, from an economics view, a shortage is viewed as a result of combinations of supply and demand and substitutability. Economically, saying there is a shortage is the equivalent of complaining about high prices as a buyer.

Read more: http://www.enworld.org/forum/showth...th-to-fight-unemployment/page15#ixzz3uaSIURRL

Thx!
TomB