Quasqueton
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This post, on its face, is a rules question. But its underlying confusion may be a worrisome insight into the thinking/procedure of the D&D3.5 redesigners.
Regarding the cold and fire "subtype modifiers". . .
Savage Species mentions (on page 143) "A creature may have . . . one elemental subtype, one energy subtype . . .". What is the difference?
The fire elemental is typed as: "Elemental (Fire)"
The fire giant is typed as: "Giant (Fire)"
The salamander is typed as: "Outsider (Fire)"
Is there supposed to be a difference between these subtypes?
Monster Manual says of the fire subtype: "A fire creature is immune to fire damage. It takes double damage from cold unless a saving throw for half damage is allowed, in which case it takes half damage on a successful and double damage on a failure."
The errata update of 3-18-03 makes no change to this.
Savage Species says of the fire subtype: "A [fire creature] is immune to fire damage and takes a -10 penalty on saves against cold attacks. If a cold attack does not allow a saving throw, the creature takes double damage instead."
Fiend Folio says of the fire subtype: "A creature with the fire subtype is immune to fire damage. It takes half again as much (+50%) damage as normal from cold, regardless of whether a saving throw is allowed, or if the save is a success or failure."
Note that there is only two months between the printing of SS and FF. Both are claimed to be 3.5 compliant, yes?
You know, this kind of makes me mad and worried about 3.5. If the redesigners can't make up their mind, or are unsure about the rule, they shouldn't go changing it in official books. They should be letting the original rule stand until they are finished thinking on it and playtesting it. If something is not absolutely broken they shouldn't go tweaking it in each new publication. That just confuses the otherwise playable rule.
Quasqueton
Regarding the cold and fire "subtype modifiers". . .
Savage Species mentions (on page 143) "A creature may have . . . one elemental subtype, one energy subtype . . .". What is the difference?
The fire elemental is typed as: "Elemental (Fire)"
The fire giant is typed as: "Giant (Fire)"
The salamander is typed as: "Outsider (Fire)"
Is there supposed to be a difference between these subtypes?
Monster Manual says of the fire subtype: "A fire creature is immune to fire damage. It takes double damage from cold unless a saving throw for half damage is allowed, in which case it takes half damage on a successful and double damage on a failure."
The errata update of 3-18-03 makes no change to this.
Savage Species says of the fire subtype: "A [fire creature] is immune to fire damage and takes a -10 penalty on saves against cold attacks. If a cold attack does not allow a saving throw, the creature takes double damage instead."
Fiend Folio says of the fire subtype: "A creature with the fire subtype is immune to fire damage. It takes half again as much (+50%) damage as normal from cold, regardless of whether a saving throw is allowed, or if the save is a success or failure."
Note that there is only two months between the printing of SS and FF. Both are claimed to be 3.5 compliant, yes?
You know, this kind of makes me mad and worried about 3.5. If the redesigners can't make up their mind, or are unsure about the rule, they shouldn't go changing it in official books. They should be letting the original rule stand until they are finished thinking on it and playtesting it. If something is not absolutely broken they shouldn't go tweaking it in each new publication. That just confuses the otherwise playable rule.
Quasqueton
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