Fire Giant Dreadnoughts in VOLO's GUIDE TO MONSTERS

WotC posted this image a couple of days ago, along with a brief note that that Volo's Guide to Monsters has "quite an extensive entry" on Fire Giant Dreadnoughts. Spiky! Also check out yesterday's Giant Lore preview, and the preface - there's a bit of a giant-based focus o the previews, which is likely because Storm King's Thunder is the current storyline. The book hits stores on November 15th (November 4th in preferred stores).

WotC posted this image a couple of days ago, along with a brief note that that Volo's Guide to Monsters has "quite an extensive entry" on Fire Giant Dreadnoughts. Spiky! Also check out yesterday's Giant Lore preview, and the preface - there's a bit of a giant-based focus o the previews, which is likely because Storm King's Thunder is the current storyline. The book hits stores on November 15th (November 4th in preferred stores).
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Dausuul

Legend
c) Fighting with two tower shields (one in each hand) is ridiculous.
Yup. This.

Fire giant dreadnoughts go in the Silly Bucket with flumphs and gelatinous cubes. If I'm running a lighthearted campaign full of wacky absurdity, I'll certainly bust out the dreadnoughts. But anything that requires a serious atmosphere, they're right out.
 

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My first impression was, "Hey, unless some idiot is going to charge one of those immovable shields and jump on a spike, it's never going to hurt anyone."

My second impression was, "Any dwarf is going to walk up to that thing and cut it's nuts off with one swing as it stands unable to move."
 

hawkeyefan

Legend
I don't know...I think that folks are attempting to apply too much logic to a fantastic foe. I think it's pretty cool looking, and going solely on the art, I can kind of imagine its purpose. The name certainly implies plenty.

We'll have to see what kind of lore they give this thing. But based just on the art, I dig it.
 

Mercule

Adventurer
I can't speak for Celebrim, but I do share the same sentiment. I don't like the fact that based on the depiction, it looks like the giant would be crushed beneath the weight of all that metal armor. For me, "it's magic" doesn't cut it as an answer for why the giant isn't straining under all that weight.
Agreed.

Actually, my first thought had little to do with the absurdity of carrying a small destroyer on each arm, other than indirectly. It was that the fire giant had just left himself in a position where a smaller race -- say, dwarf, well known for fighting giants -- could easily skate between his shields and legs and shoot a crossbow bolt at his under-armored nether regions. Give him a dwarf or two on each side, and they can wolf pack him in no time flat because he can't actually turn quickly enough to face them, but trying to do so would require moving the shields into an unusable position leaving him even more open. He makes a mighty cool looking snow plow, but he's a bit absurd as anything other than a sitting duck in combat. That can all be chalked up to the WotC team having a dumb idea and the artist just doing what he was paid to do.

As far as the art goes.... I'm not a particular fan of the no background thing. It's fine, if the image is set with text around it, but always looks horrible, stand alone. You can get away with it -- and it often looks cool -- if it's a stick and ink sketch, but that's about it.

That aside, the coloring looks flat and weird. The helmet doesn't look like it's sitting on a head so much as the face looks like one of those 1980s He Man toys that had the face printed on the helmet. The braid looks like it's either glued to the cheek guard or is floating is space in front of it (again, the artist seems to have a problem conveying depth). If the left armor were consistent with the shape of the right, there's no way the giant could hold the shield that close. The right shield appears to be shaped differently than the left because the bottom flairs up in back, indicating the front is closer to the ground, but the top also appears to be leaning back. I hadn't consciously realized just how much difficulty the artist had with perspective until I started trying to figure out why the picture looked "wrong", but it's pretty far out of whack. Even the shadow is off a bit: only the shields cast a shadow, but the the left shield shadow angles back, across the giant, while the right shield shadow comes more or less straight down (possibly forward, just slightly). Meanwhile, the actual objects (giant, shields) appear lit as though the light source is directly in front of them -- with the lower body lit slightly from the giant's right (look at where the shadow is) and the head area slightly from his left (his right boot actually seems to be lit by a night light mounted on the inside bottom of his left shield) and the braid must be lit by the firelight from his nostril because it's well lit even when it should be shaded by the collar that's lit from the side.

Finally, if you want something else, I have no idea what the armor is made of. The spiky top and jutting collar, as well as the juggernaut motif, make me think it's metal. The ragged edges at the bottom make me thing leather or even cloth. The ridges imply that it's layered, but I'm not sure what lays like that -- strong, distinct ridges at the top but sloppy, worn ridges at the bottom. Once you throw the weird gray into the mix, the overall impression I'm left with is that he's wearing some sort of spider silk. That's kind of a cool idea, in a fantasy world, but it really doesn't gel with the rest of the vibe.

Could I do better? Probably not, especially in color. But, I'm not trying to sell my stuff to the biggest RPG on the market. This is not what I'd use as a promo picture. It really belongs on a second or third tier Kickstarter game. The artist has some ability, probably enough enough to warrant pursuing a career in art. Unless D&D is such a rounding error for WotC/Hasbro that they're now using it to farm future talent for illustrating Magic cards, they shouldn't have used this picture.
 

gyor

Legend
My first impression was, "Hey, unless some idiot is going to charge one of those immovable shields and jump on a spike, it's never going to hurt anyone."

My second impression was, "Any dwarf is going to walk up to that thing and cut it's nuts off with one swing as it stands unable to move."

Those shields aren't immovable, slap them side by side and plow forward with the full strength of a Fire Giant, watch as it scoops up enemies and crushes them into stuff. Think snow plow.
 

gyor

Legend
Yup. This.

Fire giant dreadnoughts go in the Silly Bucket with flumphs and gelatinous cubes. If I'm running a lighthearted campaign full of wacky absurdity, I'll certainly bust out the dreadnoughts. But anything that requires a serious atmosphere, they're right out.

Arrgggg, they're not for two weapon fighting like swords, hammers, or axes. They're meant to acts as a plow, look at the scoop at the bottoms of the shields, they literally plow through enemies, look I work in the snow removal business and its obvious what a Red Giant Dreadnaught would be on the battle field. She don't dual weild them, you hold them both in front of you, and bull rush through enemies forces, while her allies follow her after, mopping up the now confused enemy who has holes in his lines thanks to the Fire Giant Dreadnaught.
 

gyor

Legend
I can't speak for Celebrim, but I do share the same sentiment. I don't like the fact that based on the depiction, it looks like the giant would be crushed beneath the weight of all that metal armor. For me, "it's magic" doesn't cut it as an answer for why the giant isn't straining under all that weight.

The Giant has been specially trained for the task, which would include strength training.
 

Leatherhead

Possibly a Idiot.
I don't understand the complaint about the stance. It invokes the image of a posed painting, not a combat action photo. Of course the giant wouldn't be fighting like that.
 

gantzerteo

Explorer
Yup. This.

Fire giant dreadnoughts go in the Silly Bucket with flumphs and gelatinous cubes. If I'm running a lighthearted campaign full of wacky absurdity, I'll certainly bust out the dreadnoughts. But anything that requires a serious atmosphere, they're right out.
Sorry but Flumphs and Gelatinous Cube are different cases since they exisist since ages in D&D lore.
 

Fralex

Explorer
Fire giant dreadnoughts go in the Silly Bucket with flumphs and gelatinous cubes.
Hey, flumphs have feelings, too! I bet from their point of view, WE'RE the silly ones, because we lack so many limbs and can't even hover with our flatulence.

It's fine about the gelatinous cubes, though. I'm like 90% sure they don't let stuff like this get to them. They're pretty emotionally resilient.
 

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