First 3rd Party Product available already...

[LeaderDesslok]

I love this sort of post. It's what makes the internet the magical, special place that it is. Even when the government and corporations have made it so that every website and messageboard is censored, kid-friendly and closely-monitored, and the whole "wild west" feel of the internet is long gone, people will still be making posts this obviously bonkers. <3.

How exactly is my post bonkers? I looked at a calendar and described the results? I stated a fact (minus the exception pointed out by Darren, which I forgot about)?

Please enlighten me and put me on the path of mental clarity.

 

[The Little Raven]

The brand loyalty that D&D inspires is bizarre and, to my mind, more than a little bordering on religious fanaticism. I've heard a lot of excuses for not going to 3rd parties (production values, "rules balance," whatever), and most of them are kind of weak.

Or people have limited expendable income and would prefer to stick with companies they're familiar with that have a good track record for successful products. Now, I know it's in vogue to hate on WotC because they're some kind of corporate Elder Evil, but some people actually genuinely belief they produce higher quality products than others in the d20 market and would rather spend their money on things they know will give them buyer's satisfaction. Personally, I've felt way more buyer's remorse from 3rd-party products than I have from WotC products.

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

And you didn't answer the burning question: why is this precisely not the kind of product you don't want to see with the D&D logo on it?

Cause it's full of elves.

I mean, yeah, admittedly, they are the best kind of elves (dead, no longer poncing about), but still...

I'm particularly intrigued by the fact that they also tried mixing the GSL with the Creative Commons license.

As am I. I wonder if that was "noted."

 

[I'm A Banana]

I apologize, but that attitude is one of the things that gets my blood pressure up.

No, I agree, it's entirely silly. I don't have quite as many writing credits as you do, man, but I'll still claim sympathy for your position.

Still, I'd like to find out the real reason this isn't good enough for D&D, so at least I can mock it with wild accusations and pictures of beautiful women kind of accurately.

 

[Vascant]

There is some irony in this, the very thing that many (not myself) complained about with regard to the OGL is hitting the GSL even faster then imagined. Pounding the masses with tons of products...

I have to wonder if people are just daring WotC to do something by violating the license so quickly.

 

[lurkinglidda]

Even if they had sent in the license agreement, they're supposed to wait 14 days before they release a product to give WOTC time to approve. GSL has only been available for a few...

Of special note: the GSL states the 14 day period is after Wizards receives the Statement of Acceptance, not when it is submitted.

 

[The Little Raven]

Of special note: the GSL states the 14 day period is after Wizards receives the Statement of Acceptance, not when it is submitted.

So, would a delivery confirmation receipt be acceptable, or does it require a confirmation directly from Wizards that they received it?

 

[lurkinglidda]

So, would a delivery confirmation receipt be acceptable, or does it require a confirmation directly from Wizards that they received it?

The license/contract administrator has a "Received" date stamp just for this purpose.

We'll only contact a company if we choose to decline the offer of the license.

 

[I'm A Banana]

Or people have limited expendable income and would prefer to stick with companies they're familiar with that have a good track record for successful products.

Yeah, and I kind of pity that sort of fear. I mean, what's the worst that could happen if you pick up some random $20 3rd party adventure? You waste $20? OH NOES! NOT $20! Now I won't be able to get JUMBO POPPING CORN at my MOVIE HOUSE! Perhaps I won't be able to afford WITTY T-SHIRT WITH A POPULAR PHRASE ON IT!

...not to mention the debatable proposition of "a good track record for successful products." This is the company that missed the BAB on the halfling outrider and invented the mercurial greatsword and put out the entirely lackluster Arms and Equipment Guide for 3e and created Pun-pun, and...well...let's just say I'm not sure they're any better just by virtue of their name.

Now, I know it's in vogue to hate on WotC because they're some kind of corporate Elder Evil, but some people actually genuinely belief they produce higher quality products than others in the d20 market and would rather spend their money on things they know will give them buyer's satisfaction.

Well, for one, it's not in vogue to hate on WotC.

For two, who's hating on WotC? I'm hating a bit on the people who enshrine their love of WotC as some sort of sacred high ground, but they kind of deserve it, no?

Personally, I've felt way more buyer's remorse from 3rd-party products than I have from WotC products.

Sure, and personally, I've felt more buyer's remorse from bad haircuts and cruddy movies than any of the above.

I'm still a little lost on why any of this matters at the moment, when we're talkin' about that dude jumping the gun.

I mean, what is up with the CC liscence? Innnteresting.

 

[lurkinglidda]

I have to wonder if people are just daring WotC to do something by violating the license so quickly.

Perhaps, but I am taking an optimistic view. Hopefully it's a case of A. some people are enthusiastic about releasing 4E products or B. some people aren't fully understanding the license. However, some people are just C. pushing the system.