Fix for Orb

[Samurai]

Why not just say any damage suffered during a round counts as a bonus on their next save to wake up? That way, it's not an automatic wake-up if they were barely hit, but big damage is almost sure to wake them.

 

[TimeOut]

Yes, but that would require a rather complex wording.

 

[FireLance]

Yes, but that would require a rather complex wording.

How about: "For every round that the target takes damage while it is unconscious, it gains a cumulative +4 bonus to its saving throw."

 

[TimeOut]

How about: "For every round that the target takes damage while it is unconscious, it gains a cumulative +4 bonus to its saving throw."

This doesn't account for the damage dealt, so you could Coup de Grace someone a few times, until they manage to wake up. Only to realize that they are missing 3 limbs.

I think that the effect should either allow no damage at all, or grant a non-cumulative bonus to the saving throw amounting to the total damage received since its last saving throw.

Edit: It is a first level spell after all. Not your level 25 epic "I pwn ya" daily power.

 

[keterys]

There are people on the Char Op boards who think that it's better than literally any spell the Wizard gets up through 29, as written.

I really think having someone wake up after taking damage, automatically, would be just fine.

 

[Harr]

Have them wake up when they take damage and are/become bloodied.

 

[GoodKingJayIII]

I thought this thread was about fixing orbs

I don't see the problem resulting from sleep, exactly. I see the problem resulting from someone focusing heavily on Wisdom and creating an auto-failure for any non-eilte/solo monster, and near-guaranteed failure for elites and solos.

The potential to impose a -10 penalty to saving throws is way too good, simply by the fact that saves do not scale and remain a base 10+ success at any level. This does not even include Spell Focus.

I think my fix for this is to simply add half (instead of full) Wisdom bonus as a penalty to saves. This means that even with heavy investment, the most a character is getting out of this is -7 (30 Wis, Spell Focus). I think I can live with that.

 

[Samurai]

I thought this thread was about fixing orbs

I don't see the problem resulting from sleep, exactly. I see the problem resulting from someone focusing heavily on Wisdom and creating an auto-failure for any non-eilte/solo monster, and near-guaranteed failure for elites and solos.

The potential to impose a -10 penalty to saving throws is way too good, simply by the fact that saves do not scale and remain a base 10+ success at any level. This does not even include Spell Focus.

I think my fix for this is to simply add half (instead of full) Wisdom bonus as a penalty to saves. This means that even with heavy investment, the most a character is getting out of this is -7 (30 Wis, Spell Focus). I think I can live with that.

Or not tie it to Wis at all, just make it a flat penalty (-4, for instance).

 

[keterys]

Hmm, what if it were changed to an immediate interrupt, when enemy successfully saves against one of your spells, enemy must reroll save with a Wis penalty.

 

[keterys]

As an aside, I think wand focus could probably use a similar boost - free action, when miss with a spell attack, reroll attack with +Dex to attack.