D&D 5E Fixing the Fighter: The Zouave

[Garthanos]

Ah so the Fighter can say "Hey, Cleric should cast Neutralize Poison!" first and feel like they contributed meaningfully to the success of the team?

Yup mr fighter man sure fixed that issue with his grand discernment

 

[Garthanos]

It’s kind of what magic does.

Funny magic is imaginary and it can do whatever or not do whatever the games designers want. AND better yet have whatever limits they want (which was actualy the point of unilateral fix reference). They have been making some efforts at reducing auto win but they opened many up compared to the last edition Tony has a theory that magic supremacy is the reason. They could even make it unreliable or painful or take actual hard to get ingredients or many other things like it is in a bunch of myth and legend instead of an auto success. Rituals might have had real costs and even chances of failure or something.

Or they could make it so it helps create ongoing story and is only part of the solution for instance instead of ping its fixed - let me give an example. A spell to remove a disease or maybe a poison the spell caster engages in a spirit battle to fight the disease and may end up contracting it or causing it to manifest in away that everyone ends up battling it.

Shrug what magic is... is not that "tightly" defined.

 

[Tony Vargas]

If the blocker isnt blocking the QB cannot throw and the receiver cannot catch... that is like actual team work where each of the skills contribute to a success.

Maybe D&D's more analogous to basketball or soccer?

....IDK, I plead nerds' unfamiliarity with sports....

 

[Undrave]

Maybe D&D's more analogous to basketball or soccer?

....IDK, I plead nerds' unfamiliarity with sports....

Nah, I think football is the most apt comparaison since it's a game of specialists (that's what I learned from Eyeshield 21 at least). Everybody on the team has a specific ROLE to play in the success.

And just like in DnD some classes are treated as more important than others

 

[Don Durito]

Somewhere out there there's an alternate world where people are outraged at the very idea that wizards, with all their immense power, can't heal a single bruise.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

But, again, how many people need a maxed out proficiency or spell in the party? As long as one PC has it, it's all good. Want to contribute in my game as a fighter? Be decent at a couple of skills depending on what makes sense and that fill in the gaps.

More than that, you have have to create the adventure to support what the party does have.

One of the groups I play in has no "face" characters whatsoever. Not even a character with a charisma higher than 12 (they started out with a bard but that player left). You simply can't have a situation where it's necessary to persuade someone to do something on the critical path for that group.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Somewhere out there there's an alternate world where people are outraged at the very idea that wizards, with all their immense power, can't heal a single bruise.

I've seen that argued, must have been back in 2nd edition days.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

So, really, you're saying a player who doesn't have a character, just kibitzs from the peanut gallery, is contributing out of combat as much as if he were playing a fighter...

They need to have a character, to represent their presence in the game world. That character doesn't have to be able to do anything either in or out of combat in order to role play though. I had a session where one of the players played as the pony.

 

[delph]

Did you see new UA? really nice stuff for Fighter there.

 

[Garthanos]

Somewhere out there there's an alternate world where people are outraged at the very idea that wizards, with all their immense power, can't heal a single bruise.

I've seen that argued, must have been back in 2nd edition days.

Raises hand! One man's witch is another's sainted miracle worker. Of course doing that might still almost always be a ritual magic taking long term resources.