D&D 5E Fixing the Fighter: The Zouave

[Lucas Yew]

Did you see new UA? really nice stuff for Fighter there.

It was pleasant, yeah. Now I want it to be OGL compliant and official, of course. (super-sincere)

 

[5ekyu]

I didnt much like playing the 10th level Wizards (AD&D 9th level fighter) side kick who didnt really contribute... it was worse for the thief of course whose ability to shine was completely non-existent.

There is also Climatic Shine that is different People remember that teleport that saved everyones bacon a long time where as steady Freddy not so much.

Hey, gotta say, that sounds like a very out of whack campaign to me too. Sorry you had that chosen by your GM for you if it was not enjoyable.

 

[Arnwolf666]

Somewhere out there there's an alternate world where people are outraged at the very idea that wizards, with all their immense power, can't heal a single bruise.

I am since every freaking other spell caster gets to do it. And they get more hp, more armor, better weapon selection, and better class features. How can an abjurer even keep up with a paladins protection power. And abjurer is the definition of protective magic to name one example.

 

[Garthanos]

Hey, gotta say, that sounds like a very out of whack campaign to me too.

I think some of it could be attributed game world details maybe like a serious lack of magic items (which in theory was a viable game world option) , it seemed to take a lot of DM hands on effort, to fight things from turning into the all wizards show and he wasn't doing it. The thief was mechanically useless in its own right, not even sure what could have been done to change that.

They need to have a character, to represent their presence in the game world.

Or maybe not I can see a downed hero/ghost contributing by inspiring their allies in effect doing warlord tricks even though maybe dead, but yes still able to accomplish things within the narrative and contribute, but no I am not picturing someone playing Samwise's pony in any satisfactory way. You can roleplay utterly without game system but its not a roleplaying game without the game elements and if you if you just watch instead of do you arent really in the game or on the team in my opinion.

 

[Arnwolf666]

Nah, I think football is the most apt comparaison since it's a game of specialists (that's what I learned from Eyeshield 21 at least). Everybody on the team has a specific ROLE to play in the success.

And just like in DnD some classes are treated as more important than others

I sure wouldn’t want to play without a fighter or paladin in a group. I am also tired of everyone wanting to sit back at ranged.

 

[Garthanos]

In real life ranged won the game..

I sure wouldn’t want to play without a fighter or paladin in a group. I am also tired of everyone wanting to sit back at ranged.

 

[Undrave]

Cavalier would have been perfect if generations of idiots hadn't superglued that name to horse-warriors.

Those idiots would be the French where the name comes from? Same root as 'cavalry' too.

I sure wouldn’t want to play without a fighter or paladin in a group. I am also tired of everyone wanting to sit back at ranged.

In Football it's probably the linebacker and quarterback who steal the show, sometimes the receiver, sometimes the running back, but the kicker is probably not considered, by fans at least, as that impressive or important. But in reality a good kicker makes all the touchdowns your team make more valuable, allowing you to pull ahead in points more easily. You also have the tight-end who is a sort of generalist that can fill in any role that most people forget about.

Also note that each role on a football team has specialized equipment load out.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Or maybe not I can see a downed hero/ghost contributing by inspiring their allies in effect doing warlord tricks even though maybe dead, but yes still able to accomplish things within the narrative and contribute

They are still playing the character, even if the character is a ghost. This actually happens in a Ravnica novel.

, but no I am not picturing someone playing Samwise's pony in any satisfactory way.

It was only one session. The pony fell in love with the paladin's warhorse.

 

[Garthanos]

In Football it's probably the linebacker and quarterback who steal the show

And the linesman/defenders are enabling them every step of the way even though the ball gets handed from line to qb to others, line backers become distractions and fakes to help each other or contribute to defense.

They are still playing the character, even if the character is a ghost. This actually happens in a Ravnica novel.

Sure and arguably/ideally the nature of the inspiration should also reflect that character ... I was mostly being funny . I love MTG but haven't read any books off of it.

 

[Tony Vargas]

Somewhere out there there's an alternate world where people are outraged at the very idea that wizards, with all their immense power, can't heal a single bruise.

Healing's a legit contribution, but in the past it'd end up your only contribution - the band-aid cleric or healbot - so it can also be a burden that draws off your resources.