D&D 5E Fizban's Treasury Dragons Ranked By Challenge Rating

Henadic Theologian · Sep 25, 2021

AcererakTriple6 said:
Until Mordekainen's came out with the Tiefling subraces for the different Archdukes of Baator.

Even before that we had Tiefling variants in the SCAG, between the SCAG and MToFs Tieflings now have more variation then any other D&D race, even Elves.

Levistus's_Leviathan · Sep 25, 2021

Henadic Theologian said:
Even before that we had Tiefling variants in the SCAG, between the SCAG and MToFs Tieflings now have more variation then any other D&D race, even Elves.

Hmmm. . . now I'm wondering if there's a subrace of Tieflings specific to Moloch, and maybe even one for Bel when he was Archduke. That could be interesting. (I think Moloch Tieflings would get Thorn Whip, Witch Bolt, and Alter Self, while Bel would get probably get Fire Bolt, Burning Hands, and Scorching Ray.)

SkidAce · Sep 25, 2021

Uni-the-Unicorn! said:
Can we stop talking about Tieflings in a thread dedicated to dragons. Really tired of checking here and find the discussion about the bastard children of fiends

Cambions?

dave2008 · Sep 25, 2021

Micah Sweet said:
What burns me about the 4e tieflings is that they were reimagined clearly for commercial purposes, essentially to add to the brand. A terrible reason to worldbuild.

Why do you say that? They seem to fit very well with thev4e world building. In fact, the world building of 4e is one of the things that brought me back to D&D after skipping most if 2e & 3e

Chaosmancer · Sep 25, 2021

Faolyn said:
That's not really a fix, since originally tieflings simply had any fiendish blood in them--devils, demons, yugoloths, geherelths, whatever you wanted. I'm sure you could claim your tiefling was descended from a barghest or vaporighu if you really wanted to, in 2e.

SCAG I believe also had Demonic Tieflings, and we have winged tieflings.

Personally, the shared origin made sense for Nentir Vale, and it doesn't have to exist beyond that.

Maxperson · Sep 25, 2021

Chaosmancer said:
99% of it seems to be the standardization of their look.

I doubt that. The look is standardized in 5e as well. It has to be something else in addition to that, or both editions would be getting the same hate.

Mind of tempest · Sep 25, 2021

Scribe said:
Removing negative modifiers is a flaw. (Subjective)
Then they should have been left there.
Subjective.

Clearly many, since in your estimation that is what propelled them to 'stardom'.

If thats a problem, boy do I have some news for you regarding new race design.

Nothing needed to be added, but they could have easily retained the proper Tiefling, and even included the Aasimar which oddly enough doesnt NEED to look like a glowing, Wings sprouted, Halo on head, Angel.

and what makes it properly other than subjective opinion? anything more backing it up as I hate that the answer to a debate is the unreconcilable position.
I do not mind them making endless races if settings were willing to be interestingly restrictive so not just the classics maybe a setting where the classics are not even allowed.

Maxperson said:
I doubt that. The look is standardized in 5e as well. It has to be something else in addition to that, or both editions would be getting the same hate.

the difference in game mechanics most likely?

Henadic Theologian · Sep 25, 2021

AcererakTriple6 said:
Hmmm. . . now I'm wondering if there's a subrace of Tieflings specific to Moloch, and maybe even one for Bel when he was Archduke. That could be interesting. (I think Moloch Tieflings would get Thorn Whip, Witch Bolt, and Alter Self, while Bel would get probably get Fire Bolt, Burning Hands, and Scorching Ray.)

I think the Tieflings from MToF were as much attached to a layer of Hell as the Princes of Hell, so Bel's Tiefling would be the same as Zariel's. I had a pet theory that if Zariel ultimately gets redeemed, it will turn Zarielian Tieflings tied to her specifically into Aasimar.

Mind of tempest · Sep 25, 2021

Henadic Theologian said:
I think the Tieflings from MToF were as much attached to a layer of Hell as the Princes of Hell, so Bel's Tiefling would be the same as Zariel's. I had a pet theory that if Zariel ultimately gets redeemed, it will turn Zarielian Tieflings tied to her specifically into Aasimar.

that would be cool.