Flaming whip

[Storyteller01]

WOW!!! This is getting outright rude and unproductive, even by my standards.

I'll agree that, for some, it's ahouse rule. Me, and my interpretation of it, it that while the weapon is the delivery system the energy type is separate from the weapon.


Another question: If someone uses a +5 flaming Keen greatsword against a red dragon (for whatever reason, life does not give optimal choices), is it completely immune to all the weapon damage?

 

[IcyCool]

WOW!!! This is getting outright rude and unproductive, even by my standards.

I'll agree that, for some, it's ahouse rule. Me, and my interpretation of it, it that while the weapon is the delivery system the energy type is separate from the weapon.


Another question: If someone uses a flaming greatsword against a red dragon (for whatever reason, life does not give optimal choices), is it completely immune to all the weapon damage?

No, because not all of the weapon damage is flaming. The greatsword would do 2d6+str mod lethal, +1d6 lethal fire damage. The dragon is immune to fire damage.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Another question: If someone uses a +5 flaming Keen greatsword against a red dragon (for whatever reason, life does not give optimal choices), is it completely immune to all the weapon damage?

Not at all. Fire immunity grants immunity to fire damage. The greatsword deals slashing damage and fire damage. The red dragon is immune to the fire damage, but not to the slashing damage.

-Hyp.

 

[Storyteller01]

No, because not all of the weapon damage is flaming. The greatsword would do 2d6+str mod lethal, +1d6 lethal fire damage. The dragon is immune to fire damage.

Same with the whip; it's 1d3 subdual +1d6 fire damage.

By your latest definition, there is a distinction between weapon damage and enchanted fire damage...

By the previous definition, all damage is delivered by the weapon, regardless of its type. If it can ignore some damage, it could ignore all damage.

A whip does no damage against an opponent with +1 armor or +3 natural armor. Fire does no damage against something with fire immunity.

So which is it?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Same with the whip; it's 1d3 subdual +1d6 fire damage.

By your latest definition, there is a distinction between weapon damage and enchanted fire damage...

By the previous definition, all damage is delivered by the weapon, regardless of its type. If it can ignore some damage, it could ignore all damage.

So which is it?

It's both.

The fire damage (A) is dealt by the weapon. The slashing damage (B) is dealt by the weapon.

If you're immune to fire damage, you take damage B, but not damage A.
If you're immune to slashing damage, you take damage A, but not damage B.
If you're immune to damage dealt by the weapon, you take neither damage A nor damage B.

-Hyp.

 

[Storyteller01]

It's both.

The fire damage (A) is dealt by the weapon. The slashing damage (B) is dealt by the weapon.

If you're immune to fire damage, you take damage B, but not damage A.
If you're immune to slashing damage, you take damage A, but not damage B.
If you're immune to damage dealt by the weapon, you take neither damage A nor damage B.

-Hyp.

But you stated earlier the a whip (which does no damage) cannot deal it's enhancement damage. It's all weapon damage.

By that statement the above sword, with it's flaming enchantment, is still doing weapon damage regardless of type.

Assuming that all damage is dealt by the weapon; If a weapon blocked by armor cannot do damage, why is a weapon that is blocked by energy immunity doing damage?

 

[Octal40]

Right, and a whip: "deals no damage to any creature with an armor bonus of +1 or higher or a natural armor bonus of +3 or higher."

Sorry for jumping into this late in the game, but I have a related question. Hopefully it hasn't been asked already.

Does a Flaming, Brilliant Energy weapon deal fire damage to undead, constructs or objects? Or to put it another way, does the Flaming quality a part of the Brilliant Energy or is it seperate? Do all qualities of the weapon have to affect the target for any quality to affect the target?

On a side note, the whole "husbands cannot ovulate" thing doesn't work in Canada.

 

[Storyteller01]

Sorry for jumping into this late in the game, but I have a related question. Hopefully it hasn't been asked already.

Does a Flaming, Brilliant Energy weapon deal fire damage to undead, constructs or objects? Or to put it another way, does the Flaming quality a part of the Brilliant Energy or is it seperate? Do all qualities of the weapon have to affect the target for any quality to affect the target?

On a side note, the whole "husbands cannot ovulate" thing doesn't work in Canada.

A variation was asked. Didn't help.

 

[IcyCool]

Assuming that all damage is dealt by the weapon; If a weapon blocked by armor cannot do damage, why is a weapon that is blocked by energy immunity doing damage?

The weapon isn't blocked by energy immunity. The energy damage that the weapon deals is blocked by the energy immunity.

 

[Storyteller01]

The weapon isn't blocked by energy immunity. The energy damage that the weapon deals is blocked by the energy immunity.

But the energy damage is inflicted by the weapon. If the whip cannot pass on fire with a failed subdual attack, why is the sword passing slashing damage on a failed fire attack?

By your whip description, damage blocking one source negates the other by virtue of it all being weapon damage.

The only way that slashing and fire damage can do damage separately is if they ARE considered different types of damage responding to differing immunities.