flanking

[werk]

is this correct?

It's really hard to tell because you are mapping multiple, dependant scenarios in one diagram.

Oppositional and threatening, that's all you need.

 

[Mystern]

It's really hard to tell because you are mapping multiple, dependant scenarios in one diagram.

Oppositional and threatening, that's all you need.

i know it's hard to tell that's why the issue came up. so what technically is considered opposite borders? if i trace a line through the corner of a square and one of the opposing sides, does that count?

 

[Hypersmurf]

edit. according to the picture from phb my diagram should look like this

p p p p p p p
p o o o o o p
p o o o o o p
p o o x o o p
p o o o o o p
p o o o o o p
p p p p p p p

i think

Right.

if i trace a line through the corner of a square and one of the opposing sides, does that count?

No. Two corners, yes. Two borders, yes. One border and one corner, no.

-Hyp.

 

[Mystern]

Right.



No. Two corners, yes. Two borders, yes. One border and one corner, no.

-Hyp.

then the diagram in the phb is incorrect for the hobgoblin?
the reason i ask is that the phb lists the hobgoblin as having a +2 but not the orc.
i'm just confused as to why this would be . . .

 

[irdeggman]

then the diagram in the phb is incorrect for the hobgoblin?
the reason i ask is that the phb lists the hobgoblin as having a +2 but not the orc.
i'm just confused as to why this would be . . .

Stealth errata. The collector's edition has all of them with a +2.

 

[Mystern]

Stealth errata. The collector's edition has all of them with a +2.

then i'm correct, and a corner and an opposing border does count. that also means my most recent diagram is correct. that also means that when i'm 5 feet away but my buddy only has a 5' reach he still gets the flanking bonus. now here's the real question, i found a feat recently (though i can't remember the name) which would mean that technically i could flank with myself using a spiked chain. anyone know the feat i'm talking about? all i remember is one of the prerequisites is the feat "vexing flanker"

 

[Zurai]

No. Two corners, yes. Two borders, yes. One border and one corner, no.

-Hyp.

That's not what the PHB says.

If the line passes through opposite borders of the opponent’s space (including corners of those borders), then the opponent is flanked.

 

[frankthedm]

Incorperating the stealth errata, here is a chart showing those potential flanks.

 

[werk]

edit: bah, just look at Frank's image...

 

[frankthedm]

edit: bah, just look at Frank's image...

I had to break out the grid i made specificly for borders and corners issues. AAnd it hinges on the stealth errata treating opposite corners and opposite borders as mix or match.