Slightly off topic, but every time I hear about this show, but brain first thinks of this Flash Forward, starring Jewel Staite (Kaylee): "Flash Forward" (1996)
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Taelorn76
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Haven't seen the whole episode yet, but from what I have seen it has gotten my attention and I will be watching.
One thing I do have to gripe about was in the hospital, who operates on a someone with out masks??? I don't care how much of an emergency it is docs always scrub in.
One thing I do have to gripe about was in the hospital, who operates on a someone with out masks??? I don't care how much of an emergency it is docs always scrub in.
Well...according to FlightAware, there are over a thousand of planes in the air at any one time, and that's just in the USA. That number also probably just covers civilian aircraft.
FlightAware > Live Flight Tracker
Also, check out their Quicktime animation of a day's worth of flight.
FlightAware > All Flights Movie
dravot
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In tv and the movies, they always need to establish who is who, and it's extra critical in a pilot, when we don't know all of the characters yet.
In most war movies, the protagonist is the only one without a helmet.
I agree that the car crashes were fine, but the number of planes going down may have been too many. That stretched my suspension of belief. Air Force 2 going down, no not unless it was in the process landing. The USAF would equip that plane with the best of the best equipment.
Rabulias
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I am digging the show so far, too. I hope it continues to intrigue and entertain.
My minor complaint is that it should have been pretty easy to identify where in the world most people will be asleep in the future, and ask people there what they saw (if anything).
[sblock]Of course, this week's episode made that info kinda moot for Demetri. Beware the ides of March indeed...[/sblock]
I also wonder what people who were asleep on this side of the flashforward saw (if anything). Did it seem like a dream to them? Or were they even aware of it at all?
My minor complaint is that it should have been pretty easy to identify where in the world most people will be asleep in the future, and ask people there what they saw (if anything).
[sblock]Of course, this week's episode made that info kinda moot for Demetri. Beware the ides of March indeed...[/sblock]
I also wonder what people who were asleep on this side of the flashforward saw (if anything). Did it seem like a dream to them? Or were they even aware of it at all?
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Crothian
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The little girl was asleep and it seemed like a dream to her.
LightPhoenix
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Far too many, many planes have systems to prevent a plane from plummeting in the event of loss of pilot control.
Jack7
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If some of the reports from the pilot are to be believed then everyone was asleep, in a certain sense, but not in a normal state of either consciousness, or unconsciousness.
It surprise me that no-one has made an analysis of exactly what the nominal conditions were of this shared state of unorthodox consciousness, how it might be triggered, or what it might involve concerning sensory, temporal, and/or spatial awareness.
The first thing I would be looking for would be similarities in patterns of experiential states and an analysis of consciousness states to see if the same condition (or a near-similar condition) could be triggered or replicated by existing technology, or by existing conditions. Then you've got a clue as to possible methods and means, and a clue as to who might have the necessary capabilities. Of course, it's only a couple of episodes in, this may all be addressed by characters and events and investigations they have yet to disclose in the series.
Speaking of which every time they reintroduce flash-forward visions and slightly more information is disclosed as to details of those visions it seems to me that many of these visions are disjointed. That they are not proceeding in a linearly temporal fashion. For instance the girl who keeps seeing herself as being involved with another man, when she walks to the upstairs hallway and looks down, then sees the man she thinks she will be involved with in the future, this is merely an assumption on her part (and on the part of her husband). An assumption that she is seeing a man she will be involved with, and an assumption that when she looks down at the man that this implies a linear progression from the earlier stages of the observation. Look down - see man, as if they are automatically to be assumed the one to follow the other. But as I look at the visions replayed I think I am noticing gaps between vision segments that lead me to doubt they are temporally linear at all. Therefore many of these initial assumptions made by the characters are possible misdirected at best. This is verified by the fact that the main character has had some of his visions verified by experience, while other parts of his visions have not followed by logical temporal sequence. There are disjointed gaps in evidence as it relates to the sequential flow of events.
I think they did a good investigative job tracing the phone calls, but one thing bothers me. If it was part of a conspiracy then why should the conspirators bother to communicate through any traceable means of communications at all. Think of all of the open and networked internet channels that would be wide open and still functioning. Why engage in a phone call, even a cell phone call, when you could simply communicate by email or by voice over an open internet communications line and it would be practically impossible to trace unless you already had some idea of exactly what you were looking for? It would be totally effective means and yet almost absolutely impossible to intercept, trace, or filter from background noise because data is constantly being packet-exchanged even when networks are basically "idle." You could also easily encrypt such a communication, or burst feed it, or break it into packets for timed delivery, thereby subverting the communications systems. Surely a phone call was not used merely for verifications purposes (to confirm the conspiracy method had worked) because there would be far too much territory and far too many places and population centers to surveil. As a matter of fact if you have a specific geographic target in mind I can't think of a good reason not to have everybody at the same locale and communicating by FRS radios, something that simple and untraceable. For that matter you could just life a radio off an unconscious cop while wearing gloves, then discard the radios after use. And if it was a conspiracy I'd definitely know where all surveillance cameras were located and simply stay out of film view.
So if you have targets in motion during the blackout (assuming some type of conspiracy) then there must be something they are hoping to achieve within the geographic locale in which they are operating (and you'd hope if they were smart enough to pull this off, they'd at least be smart enough to avoid being caught on public surveillance camera). It would be easier to note extremely odd incidents in those locales (from the point of view of the investigators) and then backtrack form action to motive. Of course the blackout could have simply been cover, but that is highly unlikely. It would take huge amounts of power and resources to achieve such a world-wide effect if cover is your only diversionary objective. Artificially causing the cover action itself would likely be far more costly than most anything achievable as a true objective. Such an act is also likely to cause billions in dollars lost worldwide, just think of the insurance ramifications alone, not to mention the potential loss of life, maiming, lifelong injuries, etc. Nearly every car on the highway, interstate, busy traffic area, and I mean every car, not stopped at a redlight, intersection, etc. those people would all be involved in accidents, from minor to serious to lethal. Every plane in the air not on autopilot or fixed into a very long glide path would go out of control for long enough to either cause a crash or would be out of control so severely that recovery would be problematic at best, assuring many aircraft would be unrecoverable. If you have your hands on the wheel or stick and suddenly black out what are the odds both hands will fall away at exactly the same instant so that planes glide along flight paths evenly until consciousness is regained? Pretty slight. Even then absolute clarity of consciousness might not return instantly, assuring disorientation and probable lost time while trying to retrieve memory of last action, and current situational awareness. It would be an hellaciously bad situation for any automobile or aircraft in motion at any sufficiently high velocity or rate of speed at time of blackout. It seems very unlikely to be a profit motive, because so much money would be lost in the economy in general, you'd fail to be able to exploit any potential gain for decades to come. Immediate profit is of little use when you've caused a worldwide economic catastrophe.
Of course it could be a natural phenomena, and that means possibly predictable if you realize what might be possibly coming. Either way though, natural or artificial, you can bet some people will be by nature immune to the effects. Again a line of study for both forensic and scientific investigation.
I do like the fact that like 24 and Lost the show basically follows a real-time/real world parallel time and dating system to demonstrate and predict current and future events.
Well, I'm going to bed. I is tired.
It surprise me that no-one has made an analysis of exactly what the nominal conditions were of this shared state of unorthodox consciousness, how it might be triggered, or what it might involve concerning sensory, temporal, and/or spatial awareness.
The first thing I would be looking for would be similarities in patterns of experiential states and an analysis of consciousness states to see if the same condition (or a near-similar condition) could be triggered or replicated by existing technology, or by existing conditions. Then you've got a clue as to possible methods and means, and a clue as to who might have the necessary capabilities. Of course, it's only a couple of episodes in, this may all be addressed by characters and events and investigations they have yet to disclose in the series.
Speaking of which every time they reintroduce flash-forward visions and slightly more information is disclosed as to details of those visions it seems to me that many of these visions are disjointed. That they are not proceeding in a linearly temporal fashion. For instance the girl who keeps seeing herself as being involved with another man, when she walks to the upstairs hallway and looks down, then sees the man she thinks she will be involved with in the future, this is merely an assumption on her part (and on the part of her husband). An assumption that she is seeing a man she will be involved with, and an assumption that when she looks down at the man that this implies a linear progression from the earlier stages of the observation. Look down - see man, as if they are automatically to be assumed the one to follow the other. But as I look at the visions replayed I think I am noticing gaps between vision segments that lead me to doubt they are temporally linear at all. Therefore many of these initial assumptions made by the characters are possible misdirected at best. This is verified by the fact that the main character has had some of his visions verified by experience, while other parts of his visions have not followed by logical temporal sequence. There are disjointed gaps in evidence as it relates to the sequential flow of events.
I think they did a good investigative job tracing the phone calls, but one thing bothers me. If it was part of a conspiracy then why should the conspirators bother to communicate through any traceable means of communications at all. Think of all of the open and networked internet channels that would be wide open and still functioning. Why engage in a phone call, even a cell phone call, when you could simply communicate by email or by voice over an open internet communications line and it would be practically impossible to trace unless you already had some idea of exactly what you were looking for? It would be totally effective means and yet almost absolutely impossible to intercept, trace, or filter from background noise because data is constantly being packet-exchanged even when networks are basically "idle." You could also easily encrypt such a communication, or burst feed it, or break it into packets for timed delivery, thereby subverting the communications systems. Surely a phone call was not used merely for verifications purposes (to confirm the conspiracy method had worked) because there would be far too much territory and far too many places and population centers to surveil. As a matter of fact if you have a specific geographic target in mind I can't think of a good reason not to have everybody at the same locale and communicating by FRS radios, something that simple and untraceable. For that matter you could just life a radio off an unconscious cop while wearing gloves, then discard the radios after use. And if it was a conspiracy I'd definitely know where all surveillance cameras were located and simply stay out of film view.
So if you have targets in motion during the blackout (assuming some type of conspiracy) then there must be something they are hoping to achieve within the geographic locale in which they are operating (and you'd hope if they were smart enough to pull this off, they'd at least be smart enough to avoid being caught on public surveillance camera). It would be easier to note extremely odd incidents in those locales (from the point of view of the investigators) and then backtrack form action to motive. Of course the blackout could have simply been cover, but that is highly unlikely. It would take huge amounts of power and resources to achieve such a world-wide effect if cover is your only diversionary objective. Artificially causing the cover action itself would likely be far more costly than most anything achievable as a true objective. Such an act is also likely to cause billions in dollars lost worldwide, just think of the insurance ramifications alone, not to mention the potential loss of life, maiming, lifelong injuries, etc. Nearly every car on the highway, interstate, busy traffic area, and I mean every car, not stopped at a redlight, intersection, etc. those people would all be involved in accidents, from minor to serious to lethal. Every plane in the air not on autopilot or fixed into a very long glide path would go out of control for long enough to either cause a crash or would be out of control so severely that recovery would be problematic at best, assuring many aircraft would be unrecoverable. If you have your hands on the wheel or stick and suddenly black out what are the odds both hands will fall away at exactly the same instant so that planes glide along flight paths evenly until consciousness is regained? Pretty slight. Even then absolute clarity of consciousness might not return instantly, assuring disorientation and probable lost time while trying to retrieve memory of last action, and current situational awareness. It would be an hellaciously bad situation for any automobile or aircraft in motion at any sufficiently high velocity or rate of speed at time of blackout. It seems very unlikely to be a profit motive, because so much money would be lost in the economy in general, you'd fail to be able to exploit any potential gain for decades to come. Immediate profit is of little use when you've caused a worldwide economic catastrophe.
Of course it could be a natural phenomena, and that means possibly predictable if you realize what might be possibly coming. Either way though, natural or artificial, you can bet some people will be by nature immune to the effects. Again a line of study for both forensic and scientific investigation.
I do like the fact that like 24 and Lost the show basically follows a real-time/real world parallel time and dating system to demonstrate and predict current and future events.
Well, I'm going to bed. I is tired.
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