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Re: Re: economics course

Magus Coeruleus said:
...you and I seem to have rather different set of values motivating these arguments...

That's why RL politics and religion are pretty much off-limits here, I think. Good thing you guys have pulled back so that this thread won't get closed and you guys get labeled as thread-closing closers of threads that get closed. Hard to live that title down, I hear. :)
 

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I think there'll always be a place for the FLGS. And I think the solution to massive discounters is for FLGSs to find a new way to serve customers. To be more than a retailer, since the FLGS can't compete on price.

A FLGS can't compete with a discounter on price because a FLGS can't get volume discounting from the distributor.

A FLGS can't compete with an online store on selection because a FLGS has limited shelf space, and can't come close to stocking the millions--millions--of items that an online store can stock.

But a FLGS can compete with discounters on customer interaction because a mass-discounter dirt store employs unskilled, uninterested labor and a mass-discounter Internet store has no person-to-person interaction at all.

A FLGS can compete with discounters on service because Walmart and online stores don't have gaming areas or tournaments.

If I ran a FLGS, I'd focus less on price and more on service. At a minimum, I'd have:
A super-clean, super-organized store that doesn't smell like an armpit.
Decent tables and chairs (more than the super-cheap folding chairs and card tables you usually see) for customers to play.
A loyalty program (like a punch card; buy 10 things get 50% off the 11th thing).
I'd sell vending-machine food and drinks to the gamers in my store (recouping the cost of the retail space given over to gaming tables).
I'd offer bounties on shoplifters. ;)
I'd cater to parents and kids in the daytime and afternoon--since parents aren't savvy enough to know about Internet sources and kids don't have credit cards, these are my core customers.
I'd charge full retail price for most books but offer discounts to gaming groups that play at my place at least once a month--this encourages gaming groups to game at my store, which means traffic, high-margin and high-volume food and drink sales.

In fact, I'd make my FLGS a Starbucks of gaming. A place to go and grab a latte while also getting your game fix. It'd be lit like a coffee shop, with classy design like a coffee shop. Borders and Barnes & Noble made a killing when they added coffee to their book stores; I'd do the same for my FLGS. And, for the little kids, I'd have soft drinks and juices.

Point is: the days of the old-school game shop are over. Old school shops--dirty, unkempt, with picked-over product spilling onto the floor and a smell like used socks--could only exist because they were the only source of product for a niche customer. With the Internet, all product is freely available to everyone in the world--at a discount. To survive, a FLGS must be more than just a place to find product that's available elsewhere at a much lower price. A FLGS must offer something unique, like a place where people who enjoy this niche hobby can hang out in comfort and--dare I say it--style.

That's what I wish my town had. The only game stores I've seen in Seattle are old-school: smelly, dingy, run by socially-challenged guys who don't want to talk to anyone who can't describe the threat range of all martial weapons. These places scare away newbie gamers, annoy savvy gamers who can get better prices online, and parents are afraid to leave their kids alone inside. They may as well have a sign that says "Scary Game Shoppe: we have a very limited selection of game stuff, priced higher than what you can find online, and it's poorly organized! No newbs allowed."

My dream store: "The Game Den". The place is decked out old-world English style, like a pub, complete with big beams, whitewash, and brick. Big windows let in natural light and fresh air, revealing tables of folks relaxing, drinking coffee, reading gaming magazines, or card gaming. Walking inside, the place is decked out in cool earth tones and stylishly lit with recessed lighting and occassional mini spotlights. The interior looks like it could be a man-size version of Bag End or something out of Harry Potter. Behind a bar--an actual bar, complete with brass trim--is a young, attractive, smiling barrista. A few shoulder-high racks of gaming stuff seperate the bar area from the back gaming area. This is where the Warhammer tables, card tables, and other tournament tables reside--the lighting is brighter here. Bookshelves (wood, not cheap metal) line the walls. A couple computer terminals offer online access to customers; competitor websites are barred but there are prominant links to ENWorld, the SRD, and other resources. I've gotten in touch with Wizards, the RPGA, Wizkids, and my distributor and let them know that I'm set up for and eager to do promotional release events and tournaments. I work with my customers in setting up local events and parties. I work with local schools to let them know I and my store are available for classes and workshops. I set up customer events for Matrix, LotR, Star Wars, Harry Potter, and other geek fests. Event dates are clearly marked on a clean, professionaly-printed poster--classy handouts are available to take home. I make my money primarily from drink sales and high-volume collectable games, secondarily from book sales and tournament fees. My target customers are young gamers (grade school-college) who don't have a house of their own for games, and have a real need to socialize with like-minded peers.

I'd love a store like that. As an adult, eh, I'd rather game at home and buy online, but as a kid--oh yeah, that place would be heaven.

-z, hoping someone steals these ideas
 

Re: Re: Re: economics course

Mark said:


That's why RL politics and religion are pretty much off-limits here, I think. Good thing you guys have pulled back so that this thread won't get closed and you guys get labeled as thread-closing closers of threads that get closed. Hard to live that title down, I hear. :)

thread-closing closers of threads that get closed.

that's like quote file material, too bad I'm still breaking in my new sig.
 

In most ways we are just like other gamers, but in some important ways we are not representative of the "general" D&D playing community.

ENWorld is, in many respects, my FLGS. Not because I necessarily buy my swag here ( which I do sometimes ) but primarily because it fills the role of educating me about upcoming products.

For that reason, we are probably not the consumer that can benefit most from the hands-on service a well run FLGS can provide - At least in regards to d20/OGL products. FLGS' will continue to bring new players to many gaming hobbies. The ones that aren't run well SHOULD die. I used to support 4 different LGS', and now only shop at 2, as the others have taken a turn for the worse for one reason or another.

Don't support any business strictly for the purpose of keeping them around. But, by all means, it is completely appropriate to reward the business that gives you great service by paying a few $ more.

My suggestion to anyone that is conflicted on the subject of buying FLGS vs. Internet discount is to examine your motivation for choosing one over the other.

For example:

If you regularly shop at a LGS, and enjoy your shopping experience, appreciate the opportunity to preview product, try new games, create social bonds, learn painting techniques etc... then you should buy the majority of your gaming material from them.

Like most choices, there is no clear cut right or wrong answer, just what is right or wrong for you situationaly.

-rhetoric "thread killer" goblinoid
 

Re: Re: Re: Re: economics course

Shard O'Glase said:
thread-closing closers of threads that get closed.

that's like quote file material, too bad I'm still breaking in my new sig.

All right you two...Mister Mark and Mister O'Glase. Break it up with the talk about thread-closing closers of threads that get closed. It is a mockery of all I believe and hold dear! :eek:
 

Zaruthustran, that may have been the most concise, most perfect version of what I have in my head as a "Game Store" ever put down on paper.

You are absolutely correct. I can already get my gaming products for a lot cheaper from an internet source. I can already game in my apartment, with a better bigger table than they have at the FLGS, and with more comfortable chairs and no screaming kids to boot!

Your vision of a "Service Establishment" more than a "Retail Establishment" is exactly what would get me in the door and spending money. You would make money by selling me food and drinks. You would make money when I would grab a spur-of-the-moment pack of character sheets or set of dice. You could even make money charging me a membership to give me access to the super-comfy chair area of the store.

I have 4 FLGS in my area (Cincinnati).

1. Two of them are Comic Book stores that have expanded their supply of games. They have next to no shelf space available for new product, so mostly every time I go there its the same old stuff time after time. They have ONE table set up for in-store gaming which usually has either a gaggle of kids playing some sort of card game or piles of product waiting to be put on shelves. There is NO WAY I would ever try to hold my game there, as there is absolutely no room to do so. I always make an effort to purchase something, if only a miniature, as "payment" for the time I spend there, but since they offer NO discount at all on any of their items, I do all of my bulk buying online.

2. One of them is mostly a Model Kit store, that also has expanded into gaming. It has a pretty decent turn around on its board games area (The Comic Book store has almost none) and keeps most of the big name RPG's in stock. Unfortunately it has no instore gaming at all, and it closes at 6pm on the weekends, way to early to get in the gaming groove.

3. The last store (about 40 minutes drive) is probably the best store. It has a wide variety of products (except Warhammer, which I have stopped playing anyway) and has a couple tables in the back devoted to gaming. They also have an "open till the lights are out" policy which is awesome. Sadly, since they are so far away compared to the other stores, I only get up there on rare occasions. Once again, why drive 40 minutes to sit in on a game when I can be at a local friends game in 5?

Someone open this "Super-Gaming-Mecca" in Cincinnati and see if i'm lying!

DS
 

Zaruthustran said:
In fact, I'd make my FLGS a Starbucks of gaming. A place to go and grab a latte while also getting your game fix. It'd be lit like a coffee shop, with classy design like a coffee shop. Borders and Barnes & Noble made a killing when they added coffee to their book stores; I'd do the same for my FLGS. And, for the little kids, I'd have soft drinks and juices.

Dude, your stealing my idea! :)

Seriously, I have always thought that that is how I would run a FLGS if I could open one (something my wife and I are actually dreaming of doing someday, since there isn't a good one for several hours drive).

hunter1828
 

I'm sure most FLGS are run much better than that lame Gauntlet store was, but I don't even have another FLGS for over 100 miles.

Nope. You have a store called The Harlequin Games & Hobbies 17 miles south in Turlock. They're new (just passed their first anniversary), small and their big product is 40K. However, Bob will be happy to promptly order anything for you and put it behind the counter. They do have gaming tables. I was running a Friday night HackMaster game in the shop until the Blood Bowl League started. There was a weekly Blue Planet game until Fish's laptop ate his campaign notes! Recently there was an RPGA tourney in the shop. I plan on running Kenzer demos and an HM tournament. They have events all the time. And something that help sink The Gauntlet, Bob and Larry refuse to allow and that's on-site LARPing, though they do have a few WW products (also WoTC, Mongoose, Kenzer, some others). Bob would love to have a regular 3e or 3.5e game in the shop. Customer service is his thing.

The shop is in the Turlock Cinema center just west of 99 on Main St.
 

Interesting thread. By way of background let me first state that I have worked in retailing (both at the store and corporate level) on and off for the past 25 years, and teach retailing classes at two local colleges.

My opinion: Discounters and the practice of discounting is here to stay. The Mom-and-Pop stores can and will always have a niche market to fill, due to being able to provide unique customer service and specialty products not available by the mass market retailers. But if the smaller stores ever hope to be able to compete on price for the best sellers then they are kidding themselves. What the FLGS need to do is focus on their strengths. Bear in mind one other thing, we are in the midst of a multi-year recession, and gaming is a luxury item not a necessity. My upstairs tenant manages a Comic/Card/Gaming shop that has been around for 30+ years, and they are going on their third year of barely getting by. FLGS will go out of business, but primarily for significant business and economic reasons, not just because a handful of their regular customers bought a few best selling books online.

On the other hand, my Grandfather used to say "Always buy gas from the guy who fixes your car." There is something to be said for that philosophy too. A valued customer is treasued by the smaller retailer, and spending that extra $ 5 on the book could pay off for the customer in the long run.

And on a lighter note, my theory about why the books are selling so well is that the recent G.E. commercial has convinced all nerds to go out and buy a copy of the PHB as a gift for their supermodel girlfriends. :D
 
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I think the fly in the ointment is that Starbucks was capitalizing on the business in a high traffic bookstore by implanting a coffee house, not crowding one of its coffee houses by installing a low-traffic bookstore. The traffic within a gamestore doubtfully inspires the installation of a secondary business. You'd be better off finding room for a couple of vending machines that have coffee, soda and juices (allows you to keep a large variety of beverages by contracting out the overhead). Perhaps also a snack machine or having a candy and snack rack within sight of a register/employee who can reduce your losses due to theft (which is rife in small retail operations). Just an opinion, of course, and not as fun as your idea, but more likely to help the store turn a profit, IMO.
 

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