For All Mankind (Apple+)

Marc_C

Solitary Role Playing
Started watching this a few days ago. It's an alternate reality 60-70s space race in which the USSR landed on the moon first! Nixon is foaming at the mouth and wants a win from Nasa. Created by Ronald D. Moore (Galactica reboot). I like this a lot. Another good adult sci-fi show.
 
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I spend a lot of episodes of this show internally grumbling at the pace and adherence to now-kinda-outdated prestige TV tics. I've watched and loved plenty of shows with little or no action or plot twist shenanigans, but For All Mankind makes you sit with certain characters and situations that aren't super interesting or dynamic in the moment. But then it always pays off when the poop inevitably hits the fan, and you'd have had all that time with these people, and that overall sense of realism to ground everything.

When I recommend it to people I usually note that if it seems a little boring at times, not to worry--that's a feature, not a bug.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I did struggle with the first season and gave up about 4 episodes in. Which was a shame, because it really seems like the sort of thing I should love. But it's too slow paced even for me!
 

Kobold Stew

Last Guy in the Airlock
Supporter
Ronald D Moore is the creator, and he did the re-boot and not the original Galactica. (Roger E. Moore wrote a lot of 80s and 90s RPG stuff, and was not the James Bond actor I imagined him to be when I was 13).

It was Moore that drew me to For All Mankind, and while I liked season 1, season two stumbled on major plot points (spoilers follow).

1. why are we sending lame, problematic, plane-destroying middle-aged astronauts ahead of the more qualified younger team?
2. how many scenes in a boardroom do we have to have telling us how exciting things are on the moon. "tell don't show" is not a good narrative technique.
 



Marc_C

Solitary Role Playing
Finished season 1 and two episodes into season 2. There is certainly a lot of human drama going on. The characters are well rounded and follow their own internal logic. Interesting to see how every one evolved during the 10 years between season 1 and season 2.
 





Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Eh, I'll give it a miss then. Thank for the warning! :)

That's fair. I got into Season 1 because I really, really, really like the history of the space race. But even so, there were some really curious decisions that I just didn't understand - without giving anything away, there's a subplot involving immigration that never really ties into the entire season, really. It just kind of sits there. And it only "pays off" in Season 2. But even for me, who genuinely enjoyed Season 1, there were a few times when I was like, "Wait, why are we going over this?"
 


Marc_C

Solitary Role Playing
Finished season 2 last night. The last two episodes were excellent. Really tense and emotional. Lots of loose ends for season 3.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Finished season 2 last night. The last two episodes were excellent. Really tense and emotional. Lots of loose ends for season 3.

Yeah, well ... unfortunately they lost their showrunner/co-creator. So I am hopeful, but also trepidatious.

Word is that Moore will still be involved (may do some writing) while trying to design the DISNEY EXTENDED THEME PARK TV UNIVERSE (I can't wait to see the Enchanted Tiki Room Drama Series starring Steve Buscemi .....), but I think there is enough quality on the staff to overcome his departure.
 

Marc_C

Solitary Role Playing
Yeah, well ... unfortunately they lost their showrunner/co-creator. So I am hopeful, but also trepidatious.

Word is that Moore will still be involved (may do some writing) while trying to design the DISNEY EXTENDED THEME PARK TV UNIVERSE (I can't wait to see the Enchanted Tiki Room Drama Series starring Steve Buscemi .....), but I think there is enough quality on the staff to overcome his departure.
Series have bibles on how they should unfold over time. Moore didn't write all the episodes. Judging from the overall quality I'm sure the quality will be the same.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Series have bibles on how they should unfold over time. Moore didn't write all the episodes. Judging from the overall quality I'm sure the quality will be the same.

Um, sure. Series do have bibles. But ... you really don't think that the showrunner makes a difference? Like, at all?

Okay, then.

Dan Harmon and Community.
Bryan Fuller and American Gods.
Aaron Sorkin and West Wing.

I really hope for the best (and think it will probably be okay). But a change in showrunners is sometimes not a good thing. And Moore has a good track record- that's why he was poached.
 

Marc_C

Solitary Role Playing
Series have bibles on how they should unfold over time. Moore didn't write all the episodes. Judging from the overall quality I'm sure the quality will be the same.

Um, sure. Series do have bibles. But ... you really don't think that the showrunner makes a difference? Like, at all?

Okay, then.

Dan Harmon and Community.
Bryan Fuller and American Gods.
Aaron Sorkin and West Wing.

I really hope for the best (and think it will probably be okay). But a change in showrunners is sometimes not a good thing. And Moore has a good track record- that's why he was poached.
Sure. I'm just trying to stay positive!
 


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