D&D 5E Forgotten Realms

[Shemeska]

That whiny biznitch should have been excised from the Realms permanently. He's responsible for a whole lot that went wrong with the Realms post Gray Box and I was glad they blew it up as it gave me new, fun Realms material to work with instead of MarySueville.

He sold the rights because he wanted the money, then got upset when they didn't give him the lead in what would happen. He deserves no respect for that nor does WotC deserve respect for pandering to him and his noxious fanbois now.

Did Greenwood beat up your puppy or something? Geez.

The man created the setting, and at least to me it seems both logical and respectful to keep him in the loop as the setting develops. Something which apparently was exactly the opposite of what went on when 4e remade the setting so as to include each and every special snowflake of the PoL core world / Nentir Vale.

 

[Herschel]

Did Greenwood beat up your puppy or something? Geez.

The man created the setting, and at least to me it seems both logical and respectful to keep him in the loop as the setting develops. Something which apparently was exactly the opposite of what went on when 4e remade the setting so as to include each and every special snowflakes of the PoL core world / Nentire Vale.

Of course it seems right to you, you love his edition warring garbage as it falls right in line with yours.

The guy sold the rights and then expected to still have say in what happens? Talk about a ridiculous entitlement complex. If he wanted to still be the directing force he shouldn't have sold it off. Nobody forced him to, he wanted his cake and eat it too. He could have licensed, so-opted, any number of things but he sold it off. Live with that choice, Ed, you made it of your own free will.

Mod Note: See my post below, please. ~Umbran

 

[ForeverSlayer]

Of course it seems right to you, you love his edition warring garbage as it falls right in line with yours.

The guy sold the rights and then expected to still have say in what happens? Talk about a ridiculous entitlement complex. If he wanted to still be the directing force he shouldn't have sold it off. Nobody forced him to, he wanted his cake and eat it too. He could have licensed, so-opted, any number of things but he sold it off. Live with that choice, Ed, you made it of your own free will.

And how did it work out for WoTc and what they did without Ed having a say in the matter?

Yeah, thought so.

You see, the fans know when Ed has his hands in it and when he doesn't so its obvious the pwople want him to have a say so. He does posses the most knowledge of the setting than anyone else. The 4th edition era screwed it up and caused fans to leave in droves.

Its not about edition warring, thats just a lame ass excuse in place of an actual argument. They need someone working on it who knows what they are doing and knows what the people want.

 

[gyor]

Ed never whine or anything during 4e, in fact he created returned Abier continent for 4e,.

WotC came to Ed when they realized that they were shedding realms fans from the the spellplague which was a bull in a china shop. The upcoming change is a direct result of how unpopular spellplague was, which has nothing to do with Ed, not once during the Spellplague did he bad mouth or complain about 4e, he kept mum, its was the fans who raged.

So if you need fo blame someone blame those of us who disliked many of the more desrructive 4e changes to the realms.

 

[Umbran]

That whiny biznitch...

You probably want to stop with the name-calling, like, yesterday.

"Keep it civil." Remember that? Rule #1? Yes, we expect you to hold to it. Even for Ed Greenwood.

That goes for everyone - talk about it all you like, but keep a calm, respectful tone, please.

 

[Herschel]

And how did it work out for WoTc and what they did without Ed having a say in the matter?

Yeah, thought so.

You see, the fans know when Ed has his hands in it and when he doesn't so its obvious the pwople want him to have a say so. He does posses the most knowledge of the setting than anyone else. The 4th edition era screwed it up and caused fans to leave in droves.

Its not about edition warring, thats just a lame ass excuse in place of an actual argument. They need someone working on it who knows what they are doing and knows what the people want.

It worked out okay, it would seem. The books sold, the very successful Living Campaign was based there and a lot of people liked it. Just because you seem to think a small group of self-selected internet yellers somehow makes a "majority" does not make it so.

FTR I like some of Ed's work, but his attitude lately about how he should be "in charge" even though he sold the rights is ludicrous.

 

[seregil]

It worked out okay, it would seem. The books sold, the very successful Living Campaign was based there and a lot of people liked it. Just because you seem to think a small group of self-selected internet yellers somehow makes a "majority" does not make it so.

FTR I like some of Ed's work, but his attitude lately about how he should be "in charge" even though he sold the rights is ludicrous.

Yeah, except Hershel, the people who would KNOW if it's a success, financial or otherwise, seem to agree with Foreverslayer, which is that it HAS NOT been a success.

Based on the comments in the Salvatore interview above, the situation was "off the rails in so many ways" according to James Wyatt. Now, assuming that Salvatore is not making it up (and we have no reason to believe he is), then Wyatt agreed that FR 4e needed fixing.

And he is most definitely NOT a "self-select group of Internet yellers" as you put it nor is, for that matter, Greenwood and Salvatore.

 

[DMZ2112]

I was hoping Entreri would finally be dead, but Salvatore kludged him in to the post Spellplague books. Now he's kludged Cattie-Brie, Regis and Bruennor back in to the Realms.

Seriously? This is a thing that has happened?

Someone should take away Salvatore's creative license for contributing to the dumbening of humanity. Character development: it is a thing.

Say what you will about the Spellplague era -- it was something /new/.

 

[Umbran]

Someone should take away Salvatore's creative license for contributing to the dumbening of humanity. Character development: it is a thing.

My understanding is that all 18 Drizzt books made it to the New York Times Best Seller list. Every. Single. One.

Kind of hard to argue with that kind of success.

While you say he's contributing to the dumbing down of humanity, he's probably had positive influence in simply encouraging people to put their noses in books. You'd prefer these readers were going for their Xboxes and Playstations with their free time instead?

 

[Herschel]

Yeah, except Hershel, the people who would KNOW if it's a success, financial or otherwise, seem to agree with Foreverslayer, which is that it HAS NOT been a success.

Based on the comments in the Salvatore interview above, the situation was "off the rails in so many ways" according to James Wyatt. Now, assuming that Salvatore is not making it up (and we have no reason to believe he is), then Wyatt agreed that FR 4e needed fixing.

And he is most definitely NOT a "self-select group of Internet yellers" as you put it nor is, for that matter, Greenwood and Salvatore.

Salvatore was a malcontent about the whole thing. He supposedly had some sort of story outline but the time jump made it not work the way he wanted. He's a hired freelancer, not a creative director. It comes with the territory. He likes the checks and stability WotC contracts offer, but they come with a price.

As it was he had to actually try and be creative again, which was actually good. His books had been on a downward spiral following The Sea Of Swords, including the nepotistic books with Geno.

The new Realms created a rift, that's not the question (though it seemed to be more a rallying cry for the H4ters more than actual specific complaints considering there's "Realms-Shaking Events" every few years), and WotC is all about trying to "repair the fragmentation", at least as far as their marketing rhetoric goes.


Whether or not they're successful at i, well, that remains to be seen, but everything they're saying now is about trying to bring everyone back together.