Forsaker/Psionic?

[Crothian]

I agree with me, since I posted first.

Exactly, I was just backing you up there.

 

[Broken Fang]

Ok, then I agree with both of you for agreeing with each other!

 

[Gaiden]

In my multiverse there is a world run completely by psionics (using a lot of the online supplements from WOTC) where magic is virtually eliminated. I use magic is different rule on all of my worlds and it simply does not make sense to say that psionics are different than magic but that they are still spell like abilities.

A special sect of psionic knights on that world were forsakers and wound up being the elite of the psychic warrior forces. They are fairly rare now because there simply is not enough magic to sustain their large forces. However, if you go by psionics are different, there is really no reason not to allow the combination. Again, if psionics are different then there would be the equivalent psionic-like ability as opposed to spell-like ability.

Call it what you will (i.e. a house rule if you want), but so far I have not had any problem in my game. The forsakers/psychic warriors are powerful, but so are ninjas in Rokugan, so are sacred exorcists on Grey hawk, so are ghostwalkers, etc. With all of these PrC's, they have conditions on their power whether those be roleplaying constraints or DM mediated special constraints. So long as you keep track of those constraints there really ought not be a problem.

 

[Caliber]

Even when using the Psionics Are Different variant rules Psionics are still considred Spell-Like Abilities. In no way does this reflect their source or origin or any kind of interaction with magic, it simply designates the kind of abilities that they are.

The Forsaker class gives up all Spell-Like Abilities when taking levels in the class and would be unable to use any Psionic Powers they previously had. I am not sure if this would also make Psionic feats inactive, but I am absolutely certain that using any Powers would break their oath.

If you want to House Rule differently that is fine (and indeed could be really cool) but it is still a House Rule.

 

[Crothian]

In my multiverse there is a world run completely by psionics (using a lot of the online supplements from WOTC) where magic is virtually eliminated. I use magic is different rule on all of my worlds and it simply does not make sense to say that psionics are different than magic but that they are still spell like abilities.

A special sect of psionic knights on that world were forsakers and wound up being the elite of the psychic warrior forces. They are fairly rare now because there simply is not enough magic to sustain their large forces. However, if you go by psionics are different, there is really no reason not to allow the combination. Again, if psionics are different then there would be the equivalent psionic-like ability as opposed to spell-like ability.

I don't think you understand what spell like means. THere is no psionic like ability. Spell like does not need to be aplied to a magical ability, though it usually is. Dosn't let the spell in spell like make you think it is something that is is not.

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Spell-like abilities take a standard action, draw an AoO, and require Concentration. They are also subject to resistance.

Psionic powers take a standard action, draw an AoO, and require Concentration. They are also subject to resistance.

It isn't complicated. Psionics are spell-like abilities, even if you use Psionics are Different. Forsakers aren't supposed to use psionics, using the rules as written.

Take a good look at the Damage Control Article here: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/archive.asp?x=dnd/psi,3

A forsaker psychic warrior using a Vigor-chain power is just broken.

 

[Mistwell]

If you want to House Rule differently that is fine (and indeed could be really cool) but it is still a House Rule.

The Psionics Handbook is not a core rulebook. Psionics are ALL houserules, essentially. If he wants to call Psionics an extaordinary ability rather than a spell-like ability, it's just as valid as any other rule. And it wouldn't be any more house-rule-like than psionics themselves, in my opinion.

 

[Magic Rub]

Oh man, not another Forsaker thread.

 

[Skaros]

The Psionics Handbook is not a core rulebook. Psionics are ALL houserules, essentially. If he wants to call Psionics an extaordinary ability rather than a spell-like ability, it's just as valid as any other rule. And it wouldn't be any more house-rule-like than psionics themselves, in my opinion.

Come on...you could say that about the core rules themselves, as the DMG encourages modifying them.

I'd call deviating from published rules a "house rule", whether its a house rule concerning core rules, or a house rule concerning supplements.

-Skaros

 

[Kae'Yoss]

If you want to House Rule differently that is fine (and indeed could be really cool) but it is still a House Rule.

Of course it is a house rule. But the "psionics are different" is a house rule, too (and the Psionics Rules are not core rules, either, though not exactly house rules, more like rules supplyment, and something like half-official) as the PsiHB assumes you treat magic and psionics as being virtually the same.