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Foundation Series (Apple+)

Marc_C

Solitary Role Playing
Watched the first two episodes of Foundation last night on Apple+. Big budget, great actors and beautiful set design. Sci-fi for adults. The first half of episode one is slow because info-dump sci-fi concepts necessary to understand what Foundation is about. Things start moving after that. Liked what they did so far. Can't wait for next week. 8 episodes season 1.

The triple persona emperor concept really scares me. (and I'm not easily scared).
 
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Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Can’t wait to watch this! Need to set a couple of hours aside ASAP!

(also folks as an aside — let’s let people talk about Foundation here, rather than the inevitable “I’m not signing up to Apple!” posts. If you want to talk about that, please start a new thread. Thanks.)
 


Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
The reviews I have seen are... not good. Which is unsurprising, given the subject material. The books were not written for the screen - the entire first book is five novellas that don't share any characters, and cover 150 years of time. To quote one reviewer - the problem is that the original work is more about The Foundation than it is about any of the characters.

So, I hope it is better than it sounds.
 

J.Quondam

CR 1/8
From the handful of reviews I've seen, they seem to fall into two categories. The first is "It's awful, because it's not like the books!" The second is "It's good, because it's not like the books!"
So that's left me with the impression that it's could be a good show when considered to be it's own Foundation-esque series, heavily inspired by the books? That would be fine with me, given how unsuitable the originals really are for the screen. I'm definitely interested in hearing more people's impressions.

But in any event, I hope it's successful, and that I have a chance to watch it sometime!
 


tomBitonti

Adventurer
l found the first two episodes to be good. High production values. Good performances. The beginnings of a very large tale. I suspect a shift in the third episode … so the values might not be maintained. And we will have to see if the larger story fulfills the initial promise.
TomB
 

Dioltach

Legend
Caught the first episode yesterday, and I enjoyed it. Some slow pacing, lots of dialogue, but well written, well acted and well produced.
 




Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Changing the language doesn't change the fact of the matter - it does, however, tend to lead to worrying more about whether you can do a thing than if you should to that thing.
Guess we'll find out when we see it! I hope to get chance to watch the first episode tonight.
 

Changing the language doesn't change the fact of the matter - it does, however, tend to lead to worrying more about whether you can do a thing than if you should to that thing.
"Can you do it" is a more interesting question. You can certainly write a book about ideas rather than characters. You can do it in computer games too. Can you do it in TV or film? If not, why not?
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
"Can you do it" is a more interesting question.

If you are a student of film and TV, it is interesting.

If you are a fan of Asimov's work, maybe not so much, as your attempt to answer the technical question may yield a monstrosity, like it did for Frankenstein.
 

Zaukrie

New Publisher
Beautiful production values. Good to great writing and acting. But it is a thinker, so we'll see if the masses like it. I've read the books twice, and unlike many, I don't think things based on a book need to be like the book at all.....and often should not, frankly. The most obvious difference is that women get to actually do something......
 

Mallus

Legend
It's... interesting. The acting, effects and art design is what you'd expect given the moon-sized sphere full of money Apple threw into the production. Some of the choices made seem really smart (like the clone Emperors), other less so.

For example. The first episode had amazing scenes. But I didn't like the way they were ordered. It would be stronger to open with with Gaal leaving her homeworld and arriving on Trantor (I'd also pare the dialogue down to almost none). Don't begin by suggesting this is a Abrams-esque mystery box show.

The second episode has this spectacular public execution sequence which avoided feeling gratuitous. But in ends with a twist that certainly felt so (even though the reasoning behind it might not so bad).

Right now it feels as much Dune as Foundation (with more than a dash of GoT). I'm okay with that.
 
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Zaukrie

New Publisher
Were there robots in the books? I don't recall. Also, IIRC, the clones are a new idea, which is really, really, well written?
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
First episode watched!

Wow. I loved it. It's slow and cerebral, and utterly gorgeous.

My wife, on the other hand, didn't like it and says it's "up its own arse".

I did read the books years ago but don't remember them, so I can't compare them to the show.

Space elevator falling! Wraps itself round the whole planet and kills hundreds of millions.
 


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