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Foundation Series (Apple+)

pukunui

Legend
Were there robots in the books? I don't recall. Also, IIRC, the clones are a new idea, which is really, really, well written?
Not in the original series from the 40s/50s. They were included in the prequels / sequels that he wrote in the 80s, when he was busily trying to tie all of his novels into one shared universe.
 

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If you are a student of film and TV, it is interesting.

If you are a fan of Asimov's work, maybe not so much, as your attempt to answer the technical question may yield a monstrosity, like it did for Frankenstein.
You imply that such a project must inevitably be bad. Why do you believe that to be the case? I don't have Apple TV, but most of the comments on Foundation here seem broadly positive, including from fans of the books.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Second episode. Even better! So far I love this show.

The Emperor(s) are vindictive as hell.

In the books, IIRC, Seldon dies of old age early on and appears as a pre-recorded hologram at important junctures over the coming centuries.

I just can’t get over how gorgeous this is. When the richest company in the world makes a sci-fi TV show, I guess you get movie level visuals. Plus it’s gripping.
 

pukunui

Legend
I'm a big fan of the original trilogy. (I really didn't like the prequels/sequels.)

The trailer and the reviews I've read have put me off watching this. It has, however, inspired me to re-read the original trilogy. Yes, it's dated, but it's still a fun read.

The sparse minimalism of the language is one of things I like about it.

I could see it working better as a stage play than a movie or TV series.

I guess I'll wait and see what you guys think of it by the time all episodes have come out.
 

Mallus

Legend
I just can’t get over how gorgeous this is. When the richest company in the world makes a sci-fi TV show, I guess you get movie level visuals. Plus it’s gripping.
I keep thinking about the scene with the public execution (among other things). Not only is it as epic as any effects sequence on the big screen, it was so smart & powerful - especially watching it as an American, a few weeks after the 20th anniversary of 9/11 and our final exit from Afghanistan.

It replaced “Londo watching the Narn homeworld get bombed”’ as best use off effects to enhance the drama of a scene.
 
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GreyLord

Legend
The Foundation series and many of his other series were tied together later in life by Asimov. AS they are related, there are many sources they could draw upon for inspiration to the stories ranging from the Galactic Empire novels to the Robot novels and more.

I could see a great breadth and range of ideas that could be incorporated into a Foundation series if they are also using those as sources.
 



I have seen the first four episodes now, and it is really good. It's a long time since I read the books, but this series seems to just use the original stories as a foundation, and builds out from there.

Episode four did feel a bit more like a conventional space adventure though.
 




Mercurius

Legend
I'm overall enjoying it (through episode 4, about to start 5). As others have mentioned, it is visually impressive, and the world-building is quite good for tv, with lots of great ideas. The acting is solid.

The negative: While I don't mind the big scope and time separation, it does lead to a sense of dissociation...more like a series of short stories than a novel. Spoilers are ok, right?
Some of the intended narrative intensity just wasn't that intense (e.g. the romance between Gaal and whats-his-name). And of course, Harry dies and Gaal "disappears" from the show at the end of episode 2, and only just barely reappears at the end of ep 4.
And also, it sometimes feels a bit like a Syfy show with a much higher budget rather than GoT in space.

But overall, it is good and worthwhile TV. just not GoT good, or probably even Battlestar Galactica good.
 

Mercurius

Legend
OK, Gaal is back. I don't love her character, but as the first protag, she does bring a sense of continuity. It was just too jarring--through ep 4--for her to missing from half the show.
 




Mercurius

Legend
It's called a non-linear narrative. Only time will tell if they pulled it off or not. But so far looks like they did.
I realize it is a non-linear narrative - no need to be condescending. I am just sharing my own, subjective, impressions, which is that the story feels a bit disjointed (to me). Non-linear narratives aren't inherently good or bad, but they do tend to be prone to fraying a bit, or seeming disjointed, especially when they are complex stories like Foundation.

But again, my overall impression is mostly positive, just with some caveats.
 


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