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practicalm

Explorer
I haven't seen episode 6, but episode 5 was a big meh from me.
Nothing new was conveyed. Seemed like a lot of filler.
Even Gaal's backstory didn't really give us new things to work with.
 

Zaukrie

New Publisher
Pretty disappointed Ep 6 gave us NOTHING from Gaal.

Also, if I'm the bad guys, I just break Salvor Hardin's legs or whatnot. You can make her not a real danger, and keep her alive there at the end.....
 

Also, if I'm the bad guys, I just break Salvor Hardin's legs or whatnot. You can make her not a real danger, and keep her alive there at the end.....
Nah, wouldn't work.
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pukunui

Legend
I think if I were to make a series based on Foundation, I'd go for a two-parter that focuses on the second half of the trilogy (so the Mule's story and the hunt for the Second Foundation). I'd sprinkle the first half of the story, that spans the biggest length of time, in as backstory.

Both the Mule's story and the hunt for the Second Foundation span shorter periods of time, maintain their respective casts of characters, and have a more typical narrative structure. I think they would lend themselves to film / tv better.

You could have a brief expository "history of the Foundation" bit at the beginning that covers the main points of Hari Seldon --> Terminus --> Encyclopedists --> Mayors --> Traders --> etc etc and maybe go into a bit more detail throughout the series as needed -- and/or include short vignette films / stories on a tie-in website or something.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Seems to me the source material isn't great for adaption. You need characters not a backdrop set over centuries.

Basic things like who's your Babyface, who's the heel etc.

I like the show the best episodes have been good but it's not great.
 

MarkB

Legend
I think if I were to make a series based on Foundation, I'd go for a two-parter that focuses on the second half of the trilogy (so the Mule's story and the hunt for the Second Foundation). I'd sprinkle the first half of the story, that spans the biggest length of time, in as backstory.
That would work better structurally, but what works well in the Mule story is the peoples' sense of shock as Seldon's scheduled Crisis message turns out to have nothing to do with the crisis they're actually facing. That doesn't work as well if you haven't already established the premise.
 

pukunui

Legend
That would work better structurally, but what works well in the Mule story is the peoples' sense of shock as Seldon's scheduled Crisis message turns out to have nothing to do with the crisis they're actually facing. That doesn't work as well if you haven't already established the premise.
I think it would be easy enough to have an intro that establishes the 200+ year history of the Foundation and how it has relied heavily on Hari Seldon's Plan. It could touch on the encyclopedists giving way to the mayors who give way to the free traders and so on. For one thing, since the original stories were magazine serials, each of them starts with a summary of the preceding stories anyway, usually in the form of expository dialogue or something like Arkady's dictated "history of the Foundation" essay.

It would be similar to how the Lord of the Rings movie trilogy begins with a short intro showing how Sauron was defeated and his ring taken and then lost, and how the Hobbit movie trilogy begins with a short intro that shows Smaug arriving at Erebor and such.
 

MarkB

Legend
I think it would be easy enough to have an intro that establishes the 200+ year history of the Foundation and how it has relied heavily on Hari Seldon's Plan. It could touch on the encyclopedists giving way to the mayors who give way to the free traders and so on. For one thing, since the original stories were magazine serials, each of them starts with a summary of the preceding stories anyway, usually in the form of expository dialogue or something like Arkady's dictated "history of the Foundation" essay.

It would be similar to how the Lord of the Rings movie trilogy begins with a short intro showing how Sauron was defeated and his ring taken and then lost, and how the Hobbit movie trilogy begins with a short intro that shows Smaug arriving at Erebor and such.
Sure, that works in terms of establishing events, but it's not emotionally effective if you're not already invested in the setting's established premise.
 




Zaukrie

New Publisher
The episodes are definitely picking up steam. I still say that Empire is the most interesting character. Which is kind of weird given the story.
 

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