Zardnaar
Legend
The is along with the last robot whiose name I forget.
Foundation Series (Apple+)
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The is along with the last robot whiose name I forget.
Mustrum_Ridcully
Hero
Demerzel, I think.
The last episode had another great arc for the Empire.
Not sure what's up with Gaal and Hari, seems like they will have a long voyage ahead.
It's possible they decide to derail even the first crisis, but it could also be the first crisis is still going exactly according to Psychohistory's predictions. Maybe not Hari Seldon's personal plan, but there is a distinction here. Psychohistory - in my understanding - does not predict persons and mandate them to be in particular positions, but roles that will a particular purpose or effect. Seldon might have deemed particular persons particularly suited for these roles - but psychohistory doesn't predict it to be these persons.
The real changes he can bring along with his knowledge of psychohistory cannot hinge on these persons, but on larger groups of people - like the Foundation. But that doesn't mean he won't pick favorites.
Paul Farquhar
Legend
I think you might be dead on there. Especially since
she has put herself on ice for a hundred and some years, after already buggering up Hari's plan for a Second Foundation at Stars End. The title of the episode seems to support that: Gaal and the Mule are both "missing pieces".
Paul Farquhar
Legend
I think it's more accurate to say the show does politics well, but action badly.
Zardnaar
Legend
Yup. It's kinda two shows almost.
MarkB
Legend
At this point I just don't feel like I know what the show's actually about, and that's having read the novels.
Supposedly there's this great plan based upon predictable statistical analysis that charts the way forward, but in detail the plan seems to rely upon some very unpredictable factors. In particular, the current arc hinges upon control of a warship that has been jumping randomly through the galaxy and might never have appeared anywhere near Anacreon.
To be fair, even the novel series comes to acknowledge that the concept of psychohistory is flawed and needs some modification, but the TV series seems to be treating it almost as a form of magic.
Supposedly there's this great plan based upon predictable statistical analysis that charts the way forward, but in detail the plan seems to rely upon some very unpredictable factors. In particular, the current arc hinges upon control of a warship that has been jumping randomly through the galaxy and might never have appeared anywhere near Anacreon.
To be fair, even the novel series comes to acknowledge that the concept of psychohistory is flawed and needs some modification, but the TV series seems to be treating it almost as a form of magic.
Paul Farquhar
Legend
Well, I expect Hari the Hologram will explain it all in the next episode. Although it might be interesting if there is a discrepancy between what the recording says just happened, and what actually happened.
Paul Farquhar
Legend
Prediction: In the next episode Hari pulls off his rubber mask to reveal that he was Agatha all along.
MarkB
Legend
That's assuming that he's still a pre-programmed recording, as he was in the novels. He could just as easily be another Seldon AI, who's been observing all along and can change his narrative to accommodate current events.
Paul Farquhar
Legend
Less funny that way though.
MarkB
Legend
Well, they did manage to bring a lot of threads together in the finale, which was pretty impressive.
Still suffers from not being able to really invest in any of the characters. The ones I want to care about - Salvor and the Foundation - are still the least interesting, while the most compelling characters - the incarnations of Empire - are part of the story arc that I'm not particularly interested in.
I think I'll be quitting my Apple TV subscription at this point. Ted Lasso was fun and this has, at least, been interesting, but there's nothing else there I'd stick around for.
Still suffers from not being able to really invest in any of the characters. The ones I want to care about - Salvor and the Foundation - are still the least interesting, while the most compelling characters - the incarnations of Empire - are part of the story arc that I'm not particularly interested in.
I think I'll be quitting my Apple TV subscription at this point. Ted Lasso was fun and this has, at least, been interesting, but there's nothing else there I'd stick around for.
Paul Farquhar
Legend
I felt it outdid Return of the King for not knowing where to stop...
I wish they had left Salvor in the past being mayor like the book, so we could have a more interesting character in series two.
I've "suspended" my Apple+ sub for the time being. Their content is really very limited.
I wish they had left Salvor in the past being mayor like the book, so we could have a more interesting character in series two.
I've "suspended" my Apple+ sub for the time being. Their content is really very limited.
Sepulchrave II
Hero
Recently finished the series and was very underwhelmed and disappointed.
I feel that an episodic emphasis - where different characters move through the world - would have worked better, rather than trying to string out the notion of protagonist - which kind of runs counter to the whole point of the Foundation, which is about psychohistory and the longue durée.
And romance? Silly, trivial stuff.
Lee Pace is awesome as Cleon, though. His effortless majesty is something to behold. If he hadn't been in it, I probably would have dropped it after episode 3.
I feel that an episodic emphasis - where different characters move through the world - would have worked better, rather than trying to string out the notion of protagonist - which kind of runs counter to the whole point of the Foundation, which is about psychohistory and the longue durée.
And romance? Silly, trivial stuff.
Lee Pace is awesome as Cleon, though. His effortless majesty is something to behold. If he hadn't been in it, I probably would have dropped it after episode 3.
Zardnaar
Legend
He pretty much carried the series along with the lady robot whose name I forget.
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