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[hong]

It's not similar to Force. The Weave surrounds and permeates the world of Toril and its inhabitants -- I think that's canon alright.

So the Weave is what, then? Duct tape?

 

[DandD]

The idea of gods needing worshippers to maintain a divinity status was idiotic to begin with. By this notion, the most mightiest gods would be those who offer fertility, sex, wealth, health, and power, while almost every other god is reduced to nothingness. No, it was a bad idea to make deities dependent on mortal worshipping, and that was a mechanic introduced by the Times of Troubles, which we can all agree are dumb in every way imaginable.

 

[marune]

The problem with the Weave under 1e/2e/3e is that it never changed anything significant in the game.

4E could have go both ways : make the Weave significant or kill it. I could say they went for the easy route, but either one was better than statu quo IMHO.

 

[marune]

No, it was a bad idea to make deities dependent on mortal worshipping, and that was a mechanic introduced by the Times of Troubles, which we can all agree are dumb in every way imaginable.

The saddest edition change job is ToT (AO ).

The ugliest is 3.x retcon (not that I have a problem with well-done retcons, such as Batman begins).

I have reasons to hope that the Spellplague one will be the best (perfect ? No).

 

[Hussar]

They should not exist because the canon lore says that without worshippers they *die* of neglect, and their bodies end up in the Astral Plane. Of course, 4E may retcon this, but it's the current state of the canon, and has been since ToT.

And I'm not sure how those deities "lost" their Divine Ranks -- it could only happen if they lost their worshippers somehow. Note that the Chosen are not "real" deities, so they (just like any other "semi-divine" beings) are not bound by this rule.

And this is where you are mistaken. Yes, it is true that gods without followers die of neglect. However, this is NOT the only way a god can die. Gods die from all sorts of things, including a sword in the forehead. ((If it's the right sword))

There is no canon which tells us how a god may lose his/her divine status. None. There is canon which tells us how a god may die, but that's different. So, in the absence of any canon to the contrary, how is it impossible for a god to be stripped of his/her divine ranks? Particularly when ToT shows us that it is possible for dvinities to lose their divine status.

 

[Vempyre]

So tired of canon-nazi simulationist FR players/DMs

*shares his ice cream with Skeptic for having similar thoughts*

Although mine opinion isn't limited to FR only, but all fantasy works in general

 

[marune]

Although mine opinion isn't limited to FR only, but all fantasy works in general

I would add that it's even worse in settings foremost defined by a strong story, think Middle earth, Star Wars universe, Krynn, etc.

But the quest for the "true Greenwoodian" feel/genre/themes is also difficult to beat

 

[Primal]

And this is where you are mistaken. Yes, it is true that gods without followers die of neglect. However, this is NOT the only way a god can die. Gods die from all sorts of things, including a sword in the forehead. ((If it's the right sword))

There is no canon which tells us how a god may lose his/her divine status. None. There is canon which tells us how a god may die, but that's different. So, in the absence of any canon to the contrary, how is it impossible for a god to be stripped of his/her divine ranks? Particularly when ToT shows us that it is possible for dvinities to lose their divine status.

*Sigh*, I think I mentioned that after ToT AO decreed that each deity's power (i.e. Divine Ranks in 3E terms) depends on the *number* of its *worshippers*. So if a deity loses worshippers, he also loses Divine Ranks -- likewise, if he gains more worshippers, he gains Divine Ranks. If the deity loses all of it worshippers, it dies of neglect. And yes, that is all canon. Also note that Xvim ascended to "true" divinity (Lesser Deity) after he gained power from a ritual performed by his worshippers (all the details -- including the adventure based around this event -- are found in the 'Zhentil Keep Boxed Set').

I never claimed that gaining or losing "status" (Divine Ranks) in not possible -- I only mentioned that if a deity loses *all* of his worshippers (just as the 'Exarchs' apparently did, if the 4E designers are to be believed), he dies of neglect -- at least according to the current canon lore.

 

[Primal]

So the Weave is what, then? Duct tape?

No, the Weave permeates all -- even duct tape! By the way, if you know where to get duct tape in Faerun, let me know -- my players could use it!

 

[hong]

I never claimed that gaining or losing "status" (Divine Ranks) in not possible -- I only mentioned that if a deity loses *all* of his worshippers (just as the 'Exarchs' apparently did, if the 4E designers are to be believed), he dies of neglect -- at least according to the current canon lore.

Hmmm.

And I'm not sure how those deities "lost" their Divine Ranks -- it could only happen if they lost their worshippers somehow.