[FR] Sun Elves as evil or neutral instead of good?

[Angcuru]

Hell, I can't wait till I run MY FR campaign. Let's just say that the Avariel are gonna make a BIG comeback.

Sun Elf - I'm better than the other elves!
*Avariel flutters down next to him.*
Avariel - Can you fly?
Sun Elf - ...........no.
Avariel - Then you're not better than the other elves, that's MY job.

 

[Alzrius]

By the way, in Races of Faerûn, they say it's the dark elves that destroyed Myeritar (high moor). Every other sources blame the sun elves. This is just to add to the "game designers make mistakes too" chapter.

Or they could be retconning. It seems to be happening a lot in the new edition.

As an aside: "dark elves" are elves who are evil. Drow elves are elves who have black skin and different powers. Most drow are dark elves, and most dark elves are drow, but there are exceptions both ways. "Dark elf" has been used as a synonym for "drow" for so long now most people think thats what it actually means.

 

[Gez]

As an aside: "dark elves" are elves who are evil. Drow elves are elves who have black skin and different powers. Most drow are dark elves, and most dark elves are drow, but there are exceptions both ways. "Dark elf" has been used as a synonym for "drow" for so long now most people think thats what it actually means.

Aren't you confusing with Warhammer ? Drow is to dark elf what avariel is to winged elf, duergar is to gray dwarf, inugaakalikurit is to artic dwarf, and svirfneblin is to deep gnome.

 

[Alzrius]

Aren't you confusing with Warhammer?

Nope. Can't be confused with a game I've never played or read.

Drow is to dark elf what avariel is to winged elf, duergar is to gray dwarf, inugaakalikurit is to artic dwarf, and svirfneblin is to deep gnome.

I explained it already. "Dark elf" gets applied, correctly, to drow virtually all of the time. But other elves who turn evil are "dark elves" too. Likewise, good drow aren't, technically, dark elves, though most people still call them that (since they, like you, incorrectly think its a racial term).

Evil elves on Krynn are a good example, but not the only one.

 

[Gez]

Races of Faerûn page 34:

 

[Alzrius]

So, is the stuff in the parenthesis supposed to be racial appelations or what?

I said that "dark elf" gets applied to drow, rightly, virtually all of the time, so that scan doesn't necessarily prove or disprove anything. I'm just saying there can be drow who aren't dark elves, and dark elves who aren't drow. Most drow still are dark elves.

Dalamar of Krynn, as an example (sorry, can't scan a page in) is called "Dark elf" several times.

 

[Angcuru]

Dark Elf = Any Evil Elf

Drow = Subrace of subterranean Elves with evil tendencies.

End of story.

But in general:
Sun elves cannot be classifed as evil if they only act non-good towards a specific race.

 

[I'm A Banana]

Dalamar of Krynn, as an example (sorry, can't scan a page in) is called "Dark elf" several times.

Since when did whatever happen on Krynn affect FR at all?

I'm not saying you're outright wrong, but I think there is enough doubt in my mind to ask for some evidence that you're right.

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

Sun Elves are strange critters.
To say anything more complicated than that, is to get hopelessly lost.

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

I guess I will elaborate on what I mean when I say that gold elves are strange critters.
But it won't clarify anything.

In the 1st and 2nd IRs, the gold elves of Evermeet (along with the other elves of Evermeet) destroyed all the magic in Realmspace, killing millions of innocent people.
This was done, obstentably, to protect the world and Realmspace from itself.

Then, the gold elves of Evermeet were all killed by Forrester's humanoids. Evermeet itself was destroyed forever.
Many came to their aid. Faerie, druids, beings of the forest, and others. They shared the fate of the elves, or were driven away.

The shades of the gold elves of Evermeet rose up to defend Toril against their own brethren, when the Elven Armada of Retribution came to destroy that world. Their interference was crucial in stopping the other elves.
The gold elves called this partial restitution for their crimes.

The Ceremony of the Church of Toril then resurrected the gold elves of Evermeet.
The gold elves saw this as a second chance for the People (the Tel Quessir.)

The gold elves of Evermeet, joined with Forrester and his humanoids into one people, forever acknowledging Forrester's overlordship.
The gold elves, saw this mingling as something wondrous, something truly worthwhile. An ascension of their race into something greater.

The gold elves of Evermeet interbred with the orcs, goblins, kobolds, and others until no pure gold elves remained ... but many new and interesting races were created in their place.

As I said, gold elves are strange critters.