FR: What's up with Lolth? (Spoilers, please)

[Sir Elton]

A quote from Ed Greenwood himself Sammael:

This explains the Avatar Trilogy, loads. Mystra is probably powerful enough to blast Lolth to bits.

 

[Mystery Man]

hong's second law of fantasy solves this question easily.

I know, I think I hurt myself.

 

[Arnwyn]

The entire FR design team would beg to differ. Your definition of "Chosen" apparently differs from theirs.

The entire FR design team? You would be flat-out wrong. Ed Greenwood (creator of the "Chosen") long made it abundantly clear what the Chosen were designed to be. Other references were in error... that unfortunately were self-perpetuated to become a generic term in future published FR sources. An unfortunate mistake, but now we're stuck with it. Gotta deal.

Second, it is common knowledge that Ed's own FR no longer has any resemblance to the FR published by WotC (and TSR before it). So, Ed may be completely right in the context of his own FR, but not the one published by WotC.

Here, though, you would be absolutely correct.

Ed has long since been pushed out of the major design decisions and direction of FR. And in some cases, it clearly shows.

 

[Darkness]

Mystra is probably powerful enough to blast Lolth to bits.

She should be. She's divine rank 18.

 

[kuje31]

BTW that above link is my file, which I made from all of Ed's answers on the Candlekeep.com boards in his 2004 thread on the novel boards of that site.

And there is clearly 5 or more places in that file where Ed says, "My words are canon unless WOTC or TSR changes them with an in world explaination. It's in my contract with TSR/WOTC."

 

[Sammael]

Ed has long since been pushed out of the major design decisions and direction of FR. And in some cases, it clearly shows.

Possibly. I like a few of the directions in which the setting is moving, and I don't like the others. However, I dislike Greenwood's fiction, and his most recent Realmslore articles made me groan. So, who knows?

I concede that I am probably wrong about the Chosen in the original context of the word. However, like many D&D words, "Chosen" is a pretty generic term that I just can't see as being tied to such a narrow definition (silver fire-wielding immortals that hold a part of Mystra's essence).

But that may be why I am doing away with a lot of things (such as the Weave itself) in my FR campaign.

 

[Sammael]

BTW that above link is my file, which I made from all of Ed's answers on the Candlekeep.com boards in his thread on the novel boards of that site.

And there is clearly 5 or more places in that file where Ed says, "My words are canon unless WOTC or TSR changes them with an in world explaination. It's in my contract with TSR/WOTC."

Hey Kuje. I know the file is yours (and I know about the sticky on FR boards). I even followed the answers for a while, but then grew increasingly dissatisfied and dissapointed with them (and, frankly, quite disturbed with some of Ed's views), so I stopped reading it. Not that canon matters a lot to me, so I guess I shouldn't have jumped into this argument so easily.

 

[Darkness]

Sammael has made me curious. I'm going to read these Ed answers now. I wonder if I will be disturbed by them, too.

 

[Sammael]

I wasn't "disturbed" in the BoVD sense of the word. More like... "I can't believe I am playing in the world that was created by this person, and enjoying it." But I get that from a lot of designers, so it could be me...

 

[Darkness]

I understood what you meant, no worries.