From Citadel to Bastion [OOC Thread]

Re: An offer to help

GruTheWanderer said:
Hey buzzard,

Interested in a Co-DM? I'm running Sunless Citadel at home and another PbP here. I'm not sure what a PbP would look like with two DMs, but it could be cool. I could definitely help out with the Psionics stuff (definite advocate of ITCK).

Alternatively, if there are enough players for two groups, I'd be happy to run a seperate thread. Would be kind of fun to allow the groups to see what the others had done (after both had finished a module, for example).

Derek

Well I can't imagine Co-DMing working well. If you wish to DM this bunch instead of me It won't break my heart to bow out. It appears that there's demand for a Psion compatible DM here, and I won't be that DM.

The players can decide I suppose.

buzzard
 

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StalkingBlue said:

\Hope you get the psionics issue sorted out. Personally, I'd love to see a psionic character in the game - but of course, the decision is up to the DM. :)

I don't much see an issue with psionics. I don't much care for them, and I'm not willing to spend time to learn new rules in an area which doesn't interest me. I would allow the base rules, if these are not sufficient, one should not play a psion. My position is fairly straightforward.

In any case, you folks can always go with the other chap who volunteered to DM. He's psionics compatible.

buzzard
 

buzzard - my apologies if I sounded as if I was trying to elbow you out of this game. This is not at all the case. I appreciate your offer to GM for us. I was merely hoping that Ashram and you might be able to reach a compromise that makes everyone happy.
When I GM, I try to know the rules well, but I certainly wouldn't claim that I'm an expert on every single rule that applies in my game. I tend to trust my players to assist me. I would also accept a co-GM's assistance if it was offered. As we both know, though, GMs differ. Your approach is certainly a valid one, if perhaps surprising after the player had already announced in earlier posts that he wanted to play a psion.


Wanderer - thanks for your offer to step in. In my experience, co-GMing tends to be a thankless task, so kudos to you for that suggestion as well.


Let's see what the other players think - especially Ashram, who after all initiated this thread.
 

I've been enjoying Gru's DMing of Elven Navy Delta Squad (constricter snake aside ;) ), so I certainly wouldn't mind him being involved.

That, however, is by no means any sort of negative comment on Buzzard. I'm very appreciative that he offered to DM, and I'd be more than happy to play in a game with him.

As StalkingBlue said, I think it comes down to what Buzzard, Gru, and Ashrem (since he started the thread and has the potentially difficult character) want to do.

I'm happy with whatever. Since I'll be playing an elven cleric, all I need to know is which gods are gonna be available, and at worst I can probably just assume he worships Corellon Larethian. :D
 

Well.. The character is finished and I was actually really looking forward to playing him. I had been kicking his background around in my head all weekend, so you can understand my disapointment.

Kicking out my favorite class pretty much kicks me out as I have no desire to run anything else right now.

Simply put. I'm out.

Gru -> If you would like to run another similar game, I would love to play. I don't think there will be a problem finding players, its DMs that are hard to come by.

Nothing personal against you Buzzard, but I would really love to play this character.

However, I would like to say that you should have informed me that you had a problem with psionics before you offered to DM. I had made it clear what I intended to play pretty early on.
 
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Good point, novyet. :)

Gru, if you do start another game, I'd enjoy playing in that one as well.

"Hi, my name is Gary, and I'm a PbP addict..." :D
 
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Ugh. I hate this kind of thing - especially since I just completed my druid. :P Now, if only I could find stats for a 2hd cat of some sort - Cougar, Mountain Lion, etc...

My take: IMO, if the DM doesn't want psionics, then no psionics. OTOH, I'm the 6th player in and probably the first one out if a new DM comes in - so I should probably watch what I'm saying. :D

I jus' don' wan' no trouble...
 

Ashrem Bayle said:
Well.. The character is finished and I was actually really looking forward to playing him. I had been kicking his background around in my head all weekend, so you can understand my disapointment.


Last week I listed what materials I would approve. If you were designing a character outside those materials, I am not going to be sympathetic.

Kicking out my favorite class pretty much kicks me out as I have no desire to run anything else right now.

I don't see a need to quote myself, but I said last week that I would permit psions from the book, however if you continued to badger me for more supplements, I would remove them. Also your initial post was about you running a psion or a ranger/rogue.

Simply put. I'm out.

Since the concept for the game was initially yours, I would think it better if I ran along. I have no desire to rile people, and I certainly have no burning need to DM a game.


However, I would like to say that you should have informed me that you had a problem with psionics before you offered to DM. I had made it clear what I intended to play pretty early on.

I did not bar psions until I was badgered. I permit them by the book- the one book. Don't lay the entire onus on me. If you require a whole list of conditions before you are willing to play a class, I hardly think it is my fault for not satisfying you.

I think you would find a player to be unreasonable if he would not make a wizard unless he were allowed T&B, FRCS, R&R, and BoEM, even if the DM didn't know the other supplements.

I allow a reasonably extensive selection of options. Just because ever detail of yours isn't included does not grant you a right to feel put upon.

buzzard
 

Last week I listed what materials I would approve. If you were designing a character outside those materials, I am not going to be sympathetic.

Well. If you look at the time stamps on the posts, I posted my character on the 4th. You posted that you wouldn't allow ITCK and Mind's Eye on the 5th.

I don't see a need to quote myself, but I said last week that I would permit psions from the book, however if you continued to badger me for more supplements, I would remove them. Also your initial post was about you running a psion or a ranger/rogue.

Badgered you? Also, your other post never said that you would ban the class, it said that you would restrict me to the core book.

"You know if you keep digging up obscure Psi stuff I will be inclined to restrict characters to the PHB."

I posted one time hoping to change your mind after you banned ITCK and Minds Eye. Your response to that single post was to ban psionics completely. I really didn't consider my one post as badgering you. Forgive me if I was such a bother..

I might also add that I added a post called titled "The Cast" just before you accepted the position as DM. It clearly stated that I would be playing a psion. You knew I was playing a psion before you accepted.

I did not bar psions until I was badgered.

Lets go back to this and look at the timing of events:

1. I posted the desire to get a game started. 10-4-02
2. I said I would be playing a psion. (ITCK and Mind's Eye where mentioned in that thread.) 10-4-02
3. I posted my character's basic stats. 10-4-02
4. You accepted the role of DM. 10-5-02
5. You expressed problems with ITCK and Mind's Eye. 10-5-02
6. I asked if you would reconsider. (The only time I asked.) 10-6-02
7. You banned my class. 10-7-02

badger

\Badg"er\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Badgered (?);p. pr. & vb. n. Badgering.] [For sense 1, see 2d Badger; for 2, see 1st Badger.] 1. To tease or annoy, as a badger when baited; to worry or irritate persistently.

2. To beat down; to cheapen; to barter; to bargain.


Was I really that bad? I only asked once dude. Heck, I even offered to give you the information.


I permit them by the book- the one book. Don't lay the entire onus on me. If you require a whole list of conditions before you are willing to play a class, I hardly think it is my fault for not satisfying you.

I think you would find a player to be unreasonable if he would not make a wizard unless he were allowed T&B, FRCS, R&R, and BoEM, even if the DM didn't know the other supplements.

I allow a reasonably extensive selection of options. Just because ever detail of yours isn't included does not grant you a right to feel put upon.

You know what? I agree with this 100%. If a DM simply does not want a supplement in his game, that is completly his choice.

I just want to make sure this is clear:

I am not drapping out of this game because you wouldn't allow ITCK and Mind's Eye. I'm dropping out because you banned the class completly without warning and because of the way you handled this situation in general. I would have played a psion using only the psionics handbook, but then you banned the class sighting that:

1. You didn't want to learn the rules. (You knew we would be using them before you became DM.)
2. "Psions aren't much of a fantasy feature.." (Your opinion, and yet again, you knew I wanted to play one.)
3. "I would have to become a Psion expert in all things you've managed to dredge up." (I think that comment is a bit much don't you? After all, all I had managed to "dredge up" was a simple set of varient rules that I offered to provide. I would have felt a bit better if you had at least took two minutes to look at the info I offered before you rejected it. Really, it's only about 4 or 5 peragraphs. But like I said, I could have lived with that. I could have played a psion without those sources.)


In closing I would like to say that I am sorry to everyone for the way this turned out and I incourage you and the other players who still want to to continue with the game.

Grue mentioned that he would be willing to run a game and I hope he decides to. Myself and the others who don't object to psionics can join in that game.

Simple solution. Everyone is happy.
 

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