FRP Games selling entire D&D miniature line

Wow. Only one group surveyed out of seven, and someone thinks some people buy anything labeled Official D&D? Only a few people and mostly collectors are buying them?

I'm sure there is a ton of anecdotal evidence folks can produce, but the fact of the matter is, the minis are selling. They are successful. The marketing scheme is not a slap in the face to "true D&D gamers". In fact, it is an asset. Buck and a quarter and I have a mini that is ready to use right out of the box. Sure, I've seen better paint jobs. Guess what? I've seen far worse, too. I got a bearded devil yesterday and I am truly impressed. It uses many colors, uses drybrush and or ink technique to show off texture, and really, it's a cool sculpt. Add to that it took me zero time, paint or effort to bring to the table and cost less by... about 2 bucks or so than a comparible pewter mini would, not even counting the time I'd have spent prepping my paint area, actually painting the mini, varnishing it, etc. It'd be neat to have a complete set, and at this point, it is very doable for me, so I'll likely pick up the few remaining minis I am missing on the singles market. Does that make me fall into the "collector" label or since I bought these things because I am a DM with a career and a family and my own home which I have to maintain so have little time to prep for weekyl games, much less time to paint a batch of new minis every week... a D&D player who is using them in his game? We are using these minis nearly exclusively for our weekly D&D games. I'll be quite happy when they've released even more of these things so I can get different sculpts and even more monster selection to choose from rather than having a troglodyte zombie stand in for a normal troglodyte. All in all, the D&D miniatures line has done nothing to harm D&D or the "hardcore" miniature hobbyists who enjoy painting and even sculpting their own minis. It only helps D&D by brining in some new blood who are interested in wargaming. By bringing in new blood who are interested in collectible trading games. By helping DMs and players alike who, for one reason or another, be it lack of time, lack of funds, lack of interest or lack of motivation, cannot or will not buy and use pewter minis and want a little more detail and flair than a counter can give. I, for one, am really glad these minis have finally arrived and I look forward to the countless hours of fun and detail these little guys can bring to my gaming table.
 

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Tsyr said:
To clarify:

I never said the randomization would kill it as a product line; if anything, my assertion was that Mage Knight would, as they were too similar a product. My gripe with randomization was that it was like a slap in the face to true DnD players. Further witness their somewhat terse and vague reasons for not putting out the orc packs and stuff, which sounds alot like "Sorry, you gamers dont matter enough".

Well, we don't. D&D makes money but, in Hasbro's (and even WotC) eyes it really isn't very much. Compared to the 100's of millions of dollars the collectible miniature and card game genres bring in the few million that D&D makes a year is peanuts. WotC recently announced that they have surpassed 1 million units sold for the new D&D minis - that's easily 10 million dollars or more. In a month. How long did it take the PHB to surpass 1 million sales? A year? More? D&D may make them some money but these miniatures are clearly making them a heck of a lot more.

I can even understand the reasoning behind the cancellation of the non-random packs. They said 'customer feedback' stopped them from making them. I would say a million sales of the random packs is pretty strong 'customer feedback'. I'm not saying I agree with it but I can, at least, understand it.
 

I would love to have an entire set but I would never buy it all at once.
The biggest reason is you only have 1 of each mini. I want hordes :D
I have only bought 2 Starters and 2 Expansions and planning more.
The collectable idea is fine with me it is kind of fun to see which ones you got.
I am sorry to see the Orc Warbands dropped though would have been an easy way to get large groups. Oh well ebay is my friend. :p
 

Holy Bovine said:
Well, we don't. D&D makes money but, in Hasbro's (and even WotC) eyes it really isn't very much. Compared to the 100's of millions of dollars the collectible miniature and card game genres bring in the few million that D&D makes a year is peanuts. WotC recently announced that they have surpassed 1 million units sold for the new D&D minis - that's easily 10 million dollars or more. In a month.

Actually, they've sold 1 million figures. So it's actually quite a bit less, about 100,000 units.


Heroclix, the superhero mini game from WizKids, sold about a million units in it's first month (but had about half the minis per package/unit)

So this is actually pretty good, for a start.

I imagine if WOTC comes out with a Star Wars mini game, they could be on par with Heroclix (as it has more appeal)
 

The WotC designers have said that a SW mini game is a strong possibility if this line does well.

I'm buying the line mainly for mass combat and skirmish games, but I can easily see it being used in complex RPG combats. The randomisation is a plus for me - otherwise I wouldn't be able to buy it, as there are too many miniatures for my FLGS to stock them as singles.

Cheers!
 

jgbrowning said:
I just have a hard time understanding why anyone would want one of each type of mini. But i've never understood collecting anything.... What's the draw? What's creating the desire to have everyone?

joe b.

I collect stuff but for some reason do not feel the "need" to have tons of these, I have one starter set at the moment.

As far as collecting I really enjoy some of my collections, I currently collect:
d20 books and stuff (duh)
dice have some that are over $60 each
original fantasy art--I can take pics if ya want to see my collection ;)
animation cels and autographs-selling a lot of this on ebay
Battle of the Planets stuff
Smallville stuff-for my daughter

used to collect:
knives (still have a bunch)
watches (have a few)
Hong Kong Phooey stuff
comics

It makes me happy to go through my collection or look at my walls and the art on it, did I waste some money-yup
Did I know it at purchase-yup
Am I Ok with that-yup
:D

I am proud ot my art, knives, books etc.... people have fun looking at my collections -when I let them, please do not touch my OD&D boxed set signed by Gygax and Arneson-it is a look at only item-tickets to stare at it are only $3.50 for 5 minutes :rolleyes: .
 
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MEG Hal said:
Hong Kong Phooey stuff

Ah..... it all becomes much clearer.... :)

HKP was one of my fav's when I was a young'en. Not that I remember anything about it now besides scatman crothors' voice, the filing cabinet, and the phooey-mobile.

joe b.
 

jgbrowning said:
Ah..... it all becomes much clearer.... :)

HKP was one of my fav's when I was a young'en. Not that I remember anything about it now besides scatman crothors' voice, the filing cabinet, and the phooey-mobile.

joe b.


I used to have a ton of stuff now I have 3 original cels/drawings and a few knick knacks.
You do not remember anything?
His real name was Penrod Pooch
also stared Sarge, Rosemary.

Hong Kong Phooey

Who is this super hero?
Sarge?
No!
Rosemary, the telephone operator?
No.
Penry, the mild-mannered janitor?
Could Be!
Hong Kong Phooey, number one super guy.
Hong Kong Phooey, quicker than the human eye.
He's got style, a groovy style, and a car that just won't stop.
When the going gets rough, he's super tough, with a Hong Kong Phooey chop


Hong Kong Phooey, number one super guy
Hong Kong Phooey, quicker than the human eye
Hong Kong Phooey - fannn-riffic!
 

I guess my problem with the whole line is this. I just sold the last of my 25+ year old metals collection (over 700 pieces dating back to the mid-70s,at about a buck a piece) to "go plastic". I am *not* collecting, I want/need these figs to run my game.
I'm used to being able to buy what I need without getting a whole lot of stuff I don't, or paying extra because a piece is "rare". If I need an umber hulk, I don't want to have to pay through the nose because some kid needs it for his army and it's rare.
I realize that that was WoTCs marketing strategy all along, and I bought into it, but when WoTC said these minis were going to be for both the mini battle gamers and table top RPGers, I expected them to use some means by which I, as a table top RPGer, could get what I wanted without the pain of "going collecter" - like Whiz Kids rating system wherein many pieces are ranked, but produced to offer a common version for those who want the piece without the cost of a rare.
The fact that WoTC has made some of these pieces so very hard to find - and that some of those hard to finds are *fundamental* creatures within the RPG game,well... blows. Which is the nicest way I can think to say it.
 

Tom Cashel said:
464 crappily-painted minis! I looked at a sample bunch in the store today.

Hoo, boy...they stink.

464 x crap = ZERO

However, Tom, that's 464 minis that he doesn't need to paint, for which he didn't pay over $1.25 each, whose swords/spears/pointy bits won't break with slightly rough treatment, which he can pull out for a game, play with, and sweep back into a box when he's done - just like I did at my last game.

I love miniatures, but minis are put through hell in our games - at my Call of Cthulhu games, I used plastic army men and a pair of wire cutters just to make a point!! These minis are just perfect for those who want cheap, painted minis that they can abuse - for lead/pewter mini's enthusiasts, they DO suck. For the rest of us, they are quite nice. Though I still use my paper counters, I still haven't come up with a portable, easily organized way to keep the counters organized, and these look a heck of a lot better on the tabletop.
 

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