Frustrating Gamers- slight rant

Azlan said:
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(snipped long list of behaviours that Azlan considers snobbish)

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Actually, I was after names. Who on these boards are the snobs? Am I a snob? Are you? Is Piratecat?

Sounds like you're still pretty stung about that thread on using alignment controls. Sorry if I offended you -- I'm still interested in why you use them -- but we can take that back to that thread, I guess.
 

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barsoomcore said:
Actually, I was after names. Who on these boards are the snobs? Am I a snob? Are you? Is Piratecat?

Sounds like you're still pretty stung about that thread on using alignment controls. Sorry if I offended you

Now, now! I wasn't trying to name any names or trying to point my finger at anyone, even indirectly. I merely presented those examples of snobbish behaviors merely as that: examples.

Incidentally, I haven't been active all that much on these message boards, compared to most of you. (My number of posts is still far from the triple digits.) Even so, in the relative few posts that I've participated in, I have been personally affronted with every one of those examples I gave (which, BTW, I paraphrased).

I guess my point with all those examples is that, it doesn't matter whether someone prefers high-magic or low-magic D&D, or whatever -- it's one's attitude and how they react toward their fellow gamers that makes someone a roleplaying snob.
 
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In the interest of un-hijacking this thread, I'm going to pontificate on the nature of core D&D and why so much is made of why certain play styles are "broken", "irrelevant", or just "inferior".

To me, Core D&D is like a big toolbox that I use to tell stories. It a toolbox full of classes, spells, races, and basic assumptions that lend itself to telling a particular type of story, but it's also capable of being used, as is, to tell other types of stories.

Sure, I might use a few tools more than others, or simply not use a few tools at all, but my Core D&D toolbox does the job. It also does the job for a number of other people - that guy over there is building a plain and sturdy woodshed (low magic, maybe), while that lady over there is building a tricked-out go-cart with her kids (higher magic, more flashy, perhaps). Then, over in the corner, an artist is making a beautiful sculpture that really captures his mood (heavy role playing?), and outside in the back, someone is building a a full addition on his house, foundation up (heavy worldbuilding, maybe?).

The beauty of it is that anyone familiar with Core D&D can look at someone else's creation and not only appreciate it, but understand some of the underlying foundation of it. In effect, Core D&D is a common language that we all use as we see fit.


Now here's the tricky part.


Core D&D is changing. First with 3rd Ed, and now with 3.5, the basic toolbox we all use is undergoing some changes - in part based on what other people are requesting. That means that the manufacturer of all our toolboxes is fiddling with the tools inside.

Makes you wonder what people are thinking:

"What if my favorite wrench - the one I use because it fits my hand so well - is not going to be included in the next run? Heck, if they get rid of that socket size, I'm going to have to replace all my bolts! Well I'm just going to have to do something about that! Maybe if I can convince enough people that these particular tools are necessary, the manufacturer will leave them alone. Or maybe they'll finally include that tool I've always wanted them to! Maybe I'll get lucky and their retool this drill to work better for my type of projects. Sure, it might make it harder for other craftsmen, but there are specialty sets better suited for that anyway."

See where its going?

People involve themselves in discussion of this typ in order to ensure that their particular vision of D&D is intact enough to still support their vision of gaming. The sooner we all realize it, the better off we'll all be.
 

Azlan said:
Now, now! I wasn't trying to name any names or trying to point my finger at anyone, even indirectly.
I'm all for polite behaviour. But if people see me as snobbish I'd want to know.

Saying, "You're a snob!" isn't all that helpful, of course. But saying, "When you said this I thought you meant that." is very helpful. I find.
I guess my point with all those examples is that, it doesn't matter whether someone prefers high-magic or low-magic D&D, or whatever -- it's one's attitude and how they react toward their fellow gamers that makes someone a roleplaying snob.
Hey, look at us! We're agreeing about something! Who'd'a thunk?

Now let's get back to the real subject of this thread -- figuring out ways to frustrate gamers.

1) Apply a belt sander to each face of their 20-sideds.
 




Ooh, found a good quote about snobbery...

"The snob's error is to put good taste before a good heart."

*That* I see all the time -- and not just here, and not just related to RPGing. Some people will prefer to look clever than to be perceived as nice.

This reminds me of a class I took recently. One topic was human needs. We all, according to one model, need Love (acceptance) and Power (including being seen as competent) and Freedom and Fun and a few other things. But people value these different needs in different ways. I might have a stronger need to feel competent than loved. So I will use behaviors that will meet my needs. My behaviors could be effective (my need is met, and at the very least I don't interfere with someone else's life), or they could be ineffective (my need is met in the short term, but goes unmet in the long run, plus I interfere with someone's life).

I would hazzard a guess that a lot of RPG players have a high need to feel competent as compared to some of the other needs. Some will react with their razor-sharp wits to meet that need, regardless of whether that wit has been turned against someone else.

Ah, look at me, I'm babbling! :o
 

KDLadage said:


Musical Group: King Missile
Song: Sensitive Artist

I think it was written for you, Mr. Noah.

;)

Sorry, I don't get the reference (though I think I understand :)).

Plus, I don't listen to "musical groups" because they're beneath me.
 

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