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WotC Gale Force 9 Sues WotC [Updated]

In the second lawsuit against WotC in recent weeks (Dragonlance authors Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman sued the company for breach of contract and other things about a month ago), Gale Force 9 is suing the company for breach of contract and implied duty of good faith.

Gale Force 9 produces miniatures, cards, DM screens, and other D&D accessories. They’re asking for damages of nearly a million dollars, as well as an injunction to prevent WotC from terminating the licensing contract.

From the suit, it looks like WotC wanted to end a licensing agreement a year early. When GF9 didn't agree to that, WotC indicated that they would refuse to approve any new licensed products from GF9. It looks like the same sort of approach they took with Weis and Hickman, which also resulted in a lawsuit. The dispute appears to relate to some product translations in non-US markets. More information as I hear it!

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UPDATE. GF9's CEO, Jean-Paul Brisigotti, spoke to ICv2 and said: "After twelve years of working with Wizards, we find ourselves in a difficult place having to utilize the legal system to try and resolve an issue we have spent the last six months trying to amicably handle between us without any success. We still hope this can be settled between us but the timeline for a legal resolution has meant we have been forced to go down this path at this time."

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Russ Morrissey

Russ Morrissey

Hussar

Legend
I think we're having some serious translation errors with the notion of a "nice" meal.

Rent in NZ (presuming a city) was less than 200 bucks a MONTH in 1996? Holy CRAP that's cheap. Good grief, that's practically free. That's ludicrously cheap.

Again, three drinks plus dinner for two in Canada? With tip? Minimum 50 CAD in a decent place like a TGIFridays or something like that. We're talking purely middle class establishment here. And, frankly, if you have desert and coffee, you might as well add another twenty bucks on top of that.

As far as "playing with blown up juice boxes", well, that's no different than playing with the free pdf no? That's the bare minimum of play. When claiming "I paid less for baking supplies" this year, it would be helpful to actually state what you have to pay for something like Tasha's, just so we actually know what you're talking about.
 

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Zardnaar

Legend
Isn't that just economics though?
Gaming is a luxury/non essesntial item - so the people selling it (WOTC and stores) price it as they see appropriate to maximise their revenue based on margin and volume, maximise return on investmnet, and achieve desired market coverage/penetration.
D&D is a luxury - nobody has a right to be able to simply expect to be able afford it.
Luxuries cost money, coming from discretionary spend from the money you have left over after essesntials are covered.
If buying D&D means not paying the rent or skipping food for a day/days/weeks then you really can't afford it.
That is sad, but it is also reality.
It also doesn't make pirating copies acceptable.
I can't afford a yacht - this doesn't mean it's OK for me to just put on an eyepatch, get a parrot, and then go and steal a nice shiny boat from the nearest marina :)

I'm not saying steal it or you're wrong for buying it.

Just some people push the "it's actually cheap" line. It's kinda not.

Ive bought around 30 hardcover books but yeah a lot of people have PDFs, I'm sure at least half didn't pay for them.

Some have done both because they don't have a flgs nearby so they aquire the PDF and buy the books they like.

So that's still driving sales. I don't but adventures until I read people's comments on ENworld. Skipped most of the recent ones except for GoS, ToA and RotF.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I think we're having some serious translation errors with the notion of a "nice" meal.

Rent in NZ (presuming a city) was less than 200 bucks a MONTH in 1996? Holy CRAP that's cheap. Good grief, that's practically free. That's ludicrously cheap.

Again, three drinks plus dinner for two in Canada? With tip? Minimum 50 CAD in a decent place like a TGIFridays or something like that. We're talking purely middle class establishment here. And, frankly, if you have desert and coffee, you might as well add another twenty bucks on top of that.

As far as "playing with blown up juice boxes", well, that's no different than playing with the free pdf no? That's the bare minimum of play. When claiming "I paid less for baking supplies" this year, it would be helpful to actually state what you have to pay for something like Tasha's, just so we actually know what you're talking about.

I can't remember the conversion rate was but it was something like $100 usd a month in 1999, my place was nice right in the student area and it was $60 ($40 usd) a week. Cheap and nasty $40 through to around 2002 as my wife rented a dump.

That was the same price in 1999 as a boxed set.

I coated my books in plastic and the price tags are still on some of them. I would go visit and have$150 in my pocket and head for the gamestore.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Christmas present 1995.

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$44.95

The back of the book $24.95 usd . Idk what the conversion rate was. Student allowance was $150 NZD a week in 1996.

Rent for a 3 bedroom house where we lived was $90 NZD/Week. In 1996 my friends room in the city 5 minutes walk to the CBD was $40 NZD.

3 bedroom nice house corporate type was $150 a week.

D&D's cheaper now but rents gone bonkers. I shouted one of my players a meal last night (student, he was embarrassed).
 

Hussar

Legend
HOLY MOLEY your rent was ludicrously cheap. Like I said, I had a very cheap, basic, 2 bedroom apartment in London, Ontario in the early 90's and it was over 600 CAD (pretty close to NZ Dollars IIRC) per month. Damn, that's cheap. I should have moved to NZ.

BTW, what is Student Allowance?
 

Zardnaar

Legend
HOLY MOLEY your rent was ludicrously cheap. Like I said, I had a very cheap, basic, 2 bedroom apartment in London, Ontario in the early 90's and it was over 600 CAD (pretty close to NZ Dollars IIRC) per month. Damn, that's cheap. I should have moved to NZ.

BTW, what is Student Allowance?

Kinda like a benefit the government gives you at tertiary institution. So basically if you were poor you took a student loan to go to tertiary institution. Government still paid for most of it (70-80%).

Basically they gave you $150 a week if you were at University. A room in a student flat was $40-60 generally ( really nice ones more like $70 or $80).

A litre of vodka/whiskey/rum could be had for $10.
 

MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
Where do you live, and what did you pay? Genuinely interested, and frankly amazed!
In the heart of the moon LOL! (Sorry you activated my trap. More seriously, you know the one poor country in continental North America, the one that some mistakenly place in Central America)

I paid $38 for Tasha's, but only because I'm a smart shopper and dodged the $70-140 price tag that most had to deal with because Amazon didn't stock it. For reference, the minimum wage is $6 a day, one dollar gets you a litter of milk or a pound of flour, or two kilograms of suggar, or a dozen eggs.
 

MoonSong

Rules-lawyering drama queen but not a munchkin
I can relate to that. As a power engineer, I work the shifts. 2 days, 2 nights and four off duty days. 12h shifts but we are often required to work on overtime as as not everyone has the necessary knowledge and qualifications to man the boilers and the turbines. At least, I know that I can get home when the shifts over...
Try doing some childcare on the side. Nothing kills your free time like that.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
In the heart of the moon LOL! (Sorry you activated my trap. More seriously, you know the one poor country in continental North America, the one that some mistakenly place in Central America)

I paid $38 for Tasha's, but only because I'm a smart shopper and dodged the $70-140 price tag that most had to deal with because Amazon didn't stock it. For reference, the minimum wage is $6 a day, one dollar gets you a litter of milk or a pound of flour, or two kilograms of suggar, or a dozen eggs.

My first job paid $22 a day ($15 usd) aged 13. By 15 was buying on clothes and essentially independent age 16. No minimum wage for under 18 or 16 iirc.
 




Hussar

Legend
Hey, to each his own, but, I'm going to tell you right now that my online games are every bit as fun and whatnot as any face to face game.

Different? Sure, but lesser? Not in the slightest.
 

TheSword

Legend
Hey, to each his own, but, I'm going to tell you right now that my online games are every bit as fun and whatnot as any face to face game.

Different? Sure, but lesser? Not in the slightest.
I must say, I have to agree. Driven to roll20 this year from necessity despite poo-pooing it in the past. We’re all in our 40’s.

It’s just as sociable. There are four or five of us. Nobody really interrupts, you can chat away, on your own sofa, more comfortable.

We’ve never been able to do weekly games because I live 150 miles away from the others. Instead we’d play a long weekend of gaming once a month. Now at least one weekly game with be on the calendar even when we’re back to face to face.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I must say, I have to agree. Driven to roll20 this year from necessity despite poo-pooing it in the past. We’re all in our 40’s.

It’s just as sociable. There are four or five of us. Nobody really interrupts, you can chat away, on your own sofa, more comfortable.

We’ve never been able to do weekly games because I live 150 miles away from the others. Instead we’d play a long weekend of gaming once a month. Now at least one weekly game with be on the calendar even when we’re back to face to face.

Yeah if you have to.

You're not chugging beers with your buddies though over a pizza while doing it or polishing off a bottle of wine with your wife while playing it though.

Onlines gonna do a fairly crap job at that. Or go grab a kebab togather pre game.
 

Christmas present 1995.

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$44.95

The back of the book $24.95 usd . Idk what the conversion rate was. Student allowance was $150 NZD a week in 1996.

Rent for a 3 bedroom house where we lived was $90 NZD/Week. In 1996 my friends room in the city 5 minutes walk to the CBD was $40 NZD.

3 bedroom nice house corporate type was $150 a week.

D&D's cheaper now but rents gone bonkers. I shouted one of my players a meal last night (student, he was embarrassed).
I can attest to the prices. I'm in Australia and I paid even more for my Monstrous Manual in 1994 - around 50 AUD. I remember paying 70 AUD or so for the core books in 2002 or so. Taking into account inflation,both prices equal over 100 AUD today. D&D books are less than 34. of that price now.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
I can attest to the prices. I'm in Australia and I paid even more for my Monstrous Manual in 1994 - around 50 AUD. I remember paying 70 AUD or so for the core books in 2002 or so. Taking into account inflation,both prices equal over 100 AUD today. D&D books are less than 34. of that price now.

Yeah they're cheaper now proportionally even without Amazon level discounts.

I used to cry ad the ads in Dragon with $8 and $16 items. Even with the currency conversion.

At one point Dragon magazine hit $25. FRCS was $100 in 2001.

My friend on holiday brought me my first 5E PHB at $65 in 2014 the one that fell apart.
 

Yeah they're cheaper now proportionally even without Amazon level discounts.

I used to cry ad the ads in Dragon with $8 and $16 items. Even with the currency conversion.

At one point Dragon magazine hit $25. FRCS was $100 in 2001.
For me it wasn't even the price, it was the availablity.

I was in a country town so my sole source of D&D stuff was the local bookshop. I bought their whole inventory of D&D - the 2nd edition PHB (50 or so AUD) and DMG (ditto), Dungeon Magazine #38 (10+ AUD) and the D&D adventure Arena of Thyatis (30 AUD or so). Bit hard to properly play without a Monster Manual though. Later got introduced to Military Simulations where I could order most stuff through the mail.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
For me it wasn't even the price, it was the availablity.

I was in a country town so my sole source of D&D stuff was the local bookshop. I bought their whole inventory of D&D - the 2nd edition PHB (50 or so AUD) and DMG (ditto), Dungeon Magazine #38 (10+ AUD) and the D&D adventure Arena of Thyatis (30 AUD or so). Bit hard to properly play without a Monster Manual though. Later got introduced to Military Simulations where I could order most stuff through the mail.

Yeah it was like Christmas going anywhere. Army training town visit off to gamestore.

Or bookstore to buy the novels.
 

TheSword

Legend
Yeah if you have to.

You're not chugging beers with your buddies though over a pizza while doing it or polishing off a bottle of wine with your wife while playing it though.

Onlines gonna do a fairly crap job at that. Or go grab a kebab togather pre game.
Well, yes we can all have a beer pizza still... as for the second. I’d hope your wife would be in the same room and you can both still drink your wine.
 

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