Gamers keeping Shabbat

[HalWhitewyrm]

I'm also waiting on a response from Anthony Valterra (Zulkir) on using the actual d20 System logo on the bags since people have requested that. If WotC says no, then we can still embroider "d20" on the kippah, just not the actual logo.

FYI, from my understanding of the d20 License, and based on previous d20 apparel, anything using the d20 logo must conform to the d20 license, and include it. Grey Ghost Press (IIRC) printed some t-shirts with some sayings and the d20 logo, and they included the d20 License in very small print. Obviously this is gonna be really hard to do on a kippah, but something to keep in mind. Anthony may very well have different news. I would love to see his face when he reads that email!

Edit: Paladin, I also like the first design a lot. I like the second one, but I concurr, it's a bit Chanukah-y, which is cool during Chanukah but not necessarily for the rest of the year. The first one, however, it's really cool and I think I see a new dicebag in my future.

 

[Celebrim]

Very interesting thread.

Coming from a Jewish Reform movement (ei Christian) that was all about not being a rules lawyer with The Law, I strongly encourage that you don't rules lawyer the Shabbat. If you feel personally that you aren't living up to the obligations of keeping the Shabbat Holy by playing D&D, then by all means don't play D&D. On the other hand, if you feel that playing D&D is a reasonably holy thing to do on the Shabbat then play. Or, if you are person that believes that one should be Holy before God regardless of the day of the week, and you feel you can do so and play D&D, then by all means play your D&D in a way pleasing to God.

But, I am no rabbi.

I never had considered that Orthodox gamers would consider minatures to be graven images, but now that you mention it makes perfect sense. I never much liked minatures on my table either, but I have to ask, does this mean that chess is out also - or do you play it with tokens?

 

[Paladin]

FYI, from my understanding of the d20 License, and based on previous d20 apparel, anything using the d20 logo must conform to the d20 license, and include it. Grey Ghost Press (IIRC) printed some t-shirts with some sayings and the d20 logo, and they included the d20 License in very small print. Obviously this is gonna be really hard to do on a kippah, but something to keep in mind. Anthony may very well have different news. I would love to see his face when he reads that email!

Yeah, I was thinking that just putting the license on there would suffice, but the "How the heck would we do that?" thing crept up. Anthony read my e-mail on Monday, but I haven't heard from him yet. Hopefully I will soon. I wonder if an insert with the d20 License printed on it would work? Hmmm.

Edit: Paladin, I also like the first design a lot. I like the second one, but I concurr, it's a bit Chanukah-y, which is cool during Chanukah but not necessarily for the rest of the year. The first one, however, it's really cool and I think I see a new dicebag in my future.

We were thinking the same thing about it being a bit Chanukah-y, I see everyone pretty much agrees. But no one seems to think it's terrible either, so we'll go ahead and add it to our site as well. Thanks for the feedback, now we know we can expect to sell more "Stars of David" than "Menorahs, etc."

 

[Quickbeam]

Paladin:
The first pattern is more basic (simple) and will likely yield more orders. The second pattern is nice too (and quite colorful), but it reminds me of Hanukkah gift wrapping paper a bit too much .

BTW, did you ever get the email I sent you with the info pertaining to the physical sewing/fabric pattern designs? Just curious.

 

[Paladin]

Paladin:
The first pattern is more basic (simple) and will likely yield more orders. The second pattern is nice too (and quite colorful), but it reminds me of Hanukkah gift wrapping paper a bit too much .

BTW, did you ever get the email I sent you with the info pertaining to the physical sewing/fabric pattern designs? Just curious.

Yes, I did get the e-mail and the information steered us in the right direction. Thank you. I didn't reply because you said at the end, "Hopefully this helps. If not, send me an email reply..." But - you did help.

 

[Quickbeam]

Yes, I did get the e-mail and the information steered us in the right direction. Thank you. I didn't reply because you said at the end, "Hopefully this helps. If not, send me an email reply..." But - you did help.

Excellent!! Now if only we can get a little d20 logo or emblem inside a solitary Star of David...that would be the kippah for me!!

 

[mkarol]

Coming late to the thread, I didn’t think that I would have much to add... But someone's post (I apologize for not remembering whose) mentioned gaming on the Sabbath at Jewish Camp.

Which incidentally is really how I was fully introduced into D&D and an experience I remember fondly. I went to a conservative summer camp and we spent Friday nights and Sat mornings in services, with classes sat after lunch. By 2:30ish (iirc) we were set free to find what mischief we could. I remember thinking that there was something 'a little off' by gaming on Saturday, but the older (veteran) campers with whom I gamed mentioned the social, intellectual argument and we had much fun...

Oh, those were the days, thanks for bringing back the memories.

 

[HalWhitewyrm]

Now if only we can get a little d20 logo or emblem inside a solitary Star of David...that would be the kippah for me!!

I was thinking of this design last night as well. Probably a bit more complicated; I would imagine it is doable, but I've no idea of how much work it would be.

See, what I would do if I were inclined to start such a group is form the JGA: Jewish Gamers Association. The symbol would be a Star of David with a d20 dice in the middle, and the slogan would be "Gaming on a higher level."
IF I were inclined to start such a group. It'd be fun.

 

[HalWhitewyrm]

Coming late to the thread, I didn’t think that I would have much to add... But someone's post (I apologize for not remembering whose) mentioned gaming on the Sabbath at Jewish Camp.

Yeah, I've heard this from various people, including some local gamers. Which is fine by me; I can personally see the logic behind the social aspect of gaming, especially with friends. I don't do it because at this point of my life, I prefer to just go to prayers, hear a class in the afternoon, and spend some time with my wife. But that's me.

 

[mythago]

Um. Celebrim, I know you meant well, but Christianity is not a "Jewish Reform" movement. And I don't think it's 'rules lawyering' to consider what the laws of one's religion do or don't say about Shabbat.