Gamers keeping Shabbat

Bagel Golem said:


And the Pope for much the same reason as far as I know. I'm not an expert on Catholicism, so I stand to be corrected.

Bagel Golem

Yes, you are right - actually in a strict Catholic sense, all church goers should wear headgear.

Men should wear the Catholic equivelent of Kippahs (can't remeber the name) Women should wear Habits. Obviosly, this practice has pretty much gone by the wayside - I think with Vatican II, but I am not for certain.

Speaking of this, As the husband of a Catholic, I would love to track down a theoligical history of the Catholic church - any suggestions?????


edit fixed my ususal horrible spelling....
 
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There are a number of variaties of Christianity that continue to practice the wearing of hats in church service, the most familiar of these to Americans might be Black American charismatics - although the practice of men wearing hats as well as women is somewhat less widespread. I'm not entirely sure on the practice of clergy wearing caps in the Catholic church, though it might have something to do with the practice of Tonsure. I'd be very interested in hearing from someone who knew as well.

mkarol: Given that the topic is specifically is religious doctrine regarding D&D, I could hardly think of a more potentially explosive topic to get back to. In fact, you really hit the heart of what was in the back of my post, when you said, 'Who knew that religion and RP had so many parallels', but I felt that to be such an explosive assertion that I felt the need to heavily disguise it and feel no need to elaborate on it now. Therefore I will risk rambling around the topic and not on it a little further.

You've sorta peaked my couriousity. I don't claim to be anything like a professional historian, but the blurb above is I would have thought very uncontriversial (whether or not it is true) - simply because the historical record on the man Jesus of Navereth is so incredibly thin. Nonetheless, what documents exist on him - his execution record, and the various purported second and third person accounts would seem to back the above statements which you will note say very little about what he actually did. And what little I know of the Judiac history at the time seems to suggest that Judiac mystery sects were not at all uncommon in the years leading up to the birth of Christianity and some of what he purportedly said and taught was certainly rolling around in the back Judiac thought at the time. So, I really would like to see a similarly brief historical summary that you feel is less biased and more accurate.

On topic, yes that does sound like fun, and I greatly enjoyed the articles in dragon in which historical figures were given D&D stats.
 

Given that the topic is specifically is religious doctrine regarding D&D

Well, no, it's not.

It's about observing a holiday that likely most of one's gaming group doesn't observe, and how/whether gaming is compatible with various levels of Shabbat observance.

D&D isn't the only kind of gaming, after all.
 

1. I too am a Jewish (reform) gamer, and would be happy to buy the kippah. Including a copy of the license with the product (rather than ON the product) should be sufficient.
2. Strangely, I too was first introduced to D&D while at a Jewish sleep-over camp. Some of the kids in my cabin played it, and I was fascinated. One of them also had a lengthly discussion with me regarding the Hobbit, and convinced me to read it. [Edit - hey, wait a minute - I live in Los Angeles. DM_Matt, around what year was that game you ran?]
3. I've never heard of this "no statues of any kind" claim made by Golem. I'm Reform, but still pretty familiar (though not vastly familiar) with Orthodox traditions. I'd like to hear more.
4. Celebrim - I do heartily disagree with your recitation of the "facts", but also agree this is not the thread to discuss it in.
 
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As regards the kippot (plural of kippah), if the logo doesn't work out, I think a kippah made with this fabric would pretty much say everything that needed to be said.

http://thegamersbag.com/images/GBdndblock.jpg

I mean, if I saw somebody wearing this, I'd know he was Jewish because he's wearing a kippah, so no Star of David would be required. And I'd know he was either a gamer or at least a really avid fantasy fan, because, well, who else wears dragons and knights and wizards all over?


(Actually, what would be really cool would be a
Bukharan style kippah, with a solid color top, and a D&D themed fabric around the sides. What's a Bukharan style kippah? Sort of a cylindrical kippah instead of a dome. Here's a sample:

http://www.holylandmall.net/skullcap.html

See? )
 
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Kippah Update

Our friend who brought us the pattern had a "duh moment" and accidentally took it home with her. Soooo - we're waiting for her to bring it back now. *sigh* Hopefully we can get it tonight and make a kippah.

In other news: would anyone like a chainmail kippah? I know it sounds weird, but my friend who does our chainmail made one. It's made of aluminum rings so it's not heavy at all. Anyone interested, let me know? I can scan it to show y'all, if you want.
 

Mistwell said:

2. Strangely, I too was first introduced to D&D while at a Jewish sleep-over camp. Some of the kids in my cabin played it, and I was fascinated. One of them also had a lengthly discussion with me regarding the Hobbit, and convinced me to read it. [Edit - hey, wait a minute - I live in Los Angeles. DM_Matt, around what year was that game you ran?]

I wonder how many people were introduced to the less-than-orthadox world of D&D on a saturday or sunday when their parents thought they were being good little god-fearing students reading religious texts? Anyone hide their charachter sheet in a Hymnal? Maybe we could keep a pair of dice in our teffilin? How bout hide a player's handbook under a prayer rug?

:)
 



Yes, the site was a bit of a surprise, but no more so than folks wanting to know how to make kippot for gamers, I suppose.

My one last two cents worth I'll put in on the subject of the kippot is that I have a bunch of young nephews-- too young to game (7 years old and under) -- and if there was a "high fantasy" themed kippah I could get for them, I'd probably do it, and they'd probably think it was cool. But they're not ready for D20 as such. Yet.

(And no getting on my case about Aunty Sialia neglecting her responsibilities. Far as I'm concerned, folks who can still freebase fantasy without the need for rulebooks and judges really ought to be allowed to enjoy their make beleive as long as they can. Soon as they start getting "cool," I'll be there for them.)
 

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