[Games Workshop] Another Price Raise!?
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PapersAndPaychecks
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I think Games Workshop is the best-run company in gaming -- from the shareholders' point of view.
Frostmarrow
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They cancelled their boards not long ago and now they've turned their entire site into a storefront. They have a 30 years anniversary now but no nostalgia presented at all. If you click on the anniversary banner you get an ad for White Dwarf. Really, are there now gamers left at Games Workshop? Also, their development rate is far too slow for me. There is a new edition every time you visit but it's always the same statline, the same rules, the same troops, and so on. I mean now they are trying to make a big deal out of the 'new' Harlequins. Troops that are at least 20 years old. Feh.
Haha, I will be the guy that supports GW.
The reason they are still in business is they make smart business decisions. They support their games well and they have a high standard of quality that few companies adhere to. Their wargame rules for both fantasy and 40k are the best in the industry with the most people playing them. If you really play wargames (as in you have armies and play them regularly) you understand why GW is the best choice.
As for their prices, Warhammer is still cheaper than owning and supporting a XBOX, PS or Wii (well maybe not a wii). The point being, even the most expensive of the hobby games is nothing compared to owning a video game system or keeping up a computer. They also only do new additions every 5-8 years or so, when they are needed after getting feedback from real players over the years.
If you play Warhammer with people at a good store that supports it well (i.e. tables and terrain, painted armies, etc) Warhammer is awesome and not duplicative on a computer, i.e. Dawn of War (though DoW is a cool game, just not the same style of tactical play).
Trust me, I have been playing D&D for over 20 years, Warhammer and 40k for 16 and magic since it came out, I know my games. Everything I just stated is fairly accurate.
You just need a good Warhammer player network to make it worth it. This is one of the reasons to support good gaming stores, ironically.
As for Warmachine, their pricing is the same or higher then GW's you just need less miniatures to play. Both games are good, but Warmachine is smaller scale and doesn't scale as well as Warhammer because you have to roll each attack seperately and add modifiers, while Warhammer uses dice pools so you can do the attacks of a whole unit at once.
The reason they are still in business is they make smart business decisions. They support their games well and they have a high standard of quality that few companies adhere to. Their wargame rules for both fantasy and 40k are the best in the industry with the most people playing them. If you really play wargames (as in you have armies and play them regularly) you understand why GW is the best choice.
As for their prices, Warhammer is still cheaper than owning and supporting a XBOX, PS or Wii (well maybe not a wii). The point being, even the most expensive of the hobby games is nothing compared to owning a video game system or keeping up a computer. They also only do new additions every 5-8 years or so, when they are needed after getting feedback from real players over the years.
If you play Warhammer with people at a good store that supports it well (i.e. tables and terrain, painted armies, etc) Warhammer is awesome and not duplicative on a computer, i.e. Dawn of War (though DoW is a cool game, just not the same style of tactical play).
Trust me, I have been playing D&D for over 20 years, Warhammer and 40k for 16 and magic since it came out, I know my games. Everything I just stated is fairly accurate.
You just need a good Warhammer player network to make it worth it. This is one of the reasons to support good gaming stores, ironically.As for Warmachine, their pricing is the same or higher then GW's you just need less miniatures to play. Both games are good, but Warmachine is smaller scale and doesn't scale as well as Warhammer because you have to roll each attack seperately and add modifiers, while Warhammer uses dice pools so you can do the attacks of a whole unit at once.
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Thunderfoot said:
No, they cant continue because of their fanboy loyalty. Its wavered ALOT in the last 7 years. The US market alone keeps seeing a decline in units sales if you check their records.
Yes, GW will keep doing it. Whether they will be bought out in the next year remains to be seen.
Najo said:
You sir, are insane. They DO NOT support their games well, they do NOT have a high quality in the rules. And no, I dont see their decisions as smart. If their so smart, why did they have to borrow for the last two record releases to pay stockholders? If their so smart in business, why have their unit sales declined every year since 2001 in the US? And declined eslewhere in the last year or two in the UK and elsewhere?
GW is NOT the best choice. Its teh most common you might see, but there are much much better choices...
JVisgaitis
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Najo said:Haha, I will be the guy that supports GW.
The reason they are still in business is they make smart business decisions. They support their games well and they have a high standard of quality that few companies adhere to.
I just stated is fairly accurate.
I partially agree. They produce great miniatures, the games are really fun, and if you are in an area that has a good store with a lot of people then playing any GW game is a blast. I will say that high standard of quality (at least as it pertains to rules and editing) is pretty much a joke.
I was one of the writers on the Lustria: Cities of Gold supplement to Mordheim years ago and I saw how the rules on Mordheim progressed. I've never seen a company that defended a typo in a book and passed the rule off as canon. I've also never seen so many rule inconsistencies in my life when it comes to a game (especially a game that has such a huge tournament following and relies so much on the rules).
The guys at the GW Studio are awesome. I got a tour of their facility and was probably the first person outside of the studio to see the Lord of the Rings stuff (when I said that their scenery looked like Weather Top their faces dropped!). The guys were great to talk to including Space McQuirk, Steve Hambrook (RIP), et al., but they were severely understaffed and the rules balancing and editing paid for it.
When I recently looked at what a boxed unit costs, my jaw hit the floor. A lot of stuff is more then 50% higher then what I used to pay for a scant 4 years ago. Sorry, that's INSANE. And contrary to what everyone says, their stock prices have been on a steady decline for a long time. If I lived near ANY gaming store that supported GW, I'd probably be playing to some capacity. But no way in hell I'll fork over the $ they charge for their products.
Infernal Teddy
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Najo said:
I've played WHF and 40K, and I now play Warmachine.
Which is a lot cheeper out here
El Ravager
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carmachu said:
You sir, are insane. Really, i think that is kinda over the top to tell someone just for likeing a game and thinking the game they like is good. I'm not sure how you would objectively measure the support and quality of the rules, but I have a lot of fun playing 40k, so the rule set can't be that bad or un supported. It is at the very least adequate and I would say much more so than that. If you found a game that works better for you, then great! But this just sounds like a lot of snobbery.
But I agree I don't like their business decisions. We can agree on that!
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