Gaming W/Jemal: War of Gods

[ishalleatyourflesh]

you every see those "GET IT OFF! GET IT OFF!" moments? thats aussir in a nut shell.

Yes dragons are quadrupeds they are how ever shown to have full manual dexterity with their front limbs and who said i stood? i have 300 perfect flight. yes there are some things odd about several half dragons templetes on the same creature, however there are no limits on halfdragons. think of it as cross breeding experiments and no there are no such things as "just dragons" the half fiend gives no a static bonus, u are not half succubus, half pit fiend u are half fiend. with dragons u pick what dragon type u are. if dragons start to interbreed then the off spring will have traits from each parent. its for that reason i belive that the templete does not say "any non-dragon".... and for the half fiend u could too... as they say, " A wizard did it." as to the feat i'm not picking or choosing, i have never looked at the epic srd, i have access to the book so i didn't need it. should he dissagree i'll take the feat back spend a little more coin once i figure out what i spent... and get +6 weapons and another epic feat(i can use more damage), i'm short as it is with +11 LA, it is still using the same premise it's just not a material i'm picking, and with out a +4 weapon it's usless, i don't pen material dr only X/epic

 

[Shayuri]

Alright, well, any further issues are rightfully betwixt you and the GM.

 

[ishalleatyourflesh]

speaking of which... alo? alllllllooooooooooooo? HEY JEMALLY!
no alo....

 

[Jemal]

Flesh - hush you, dont you read posts? I haven't been feeling well.

Anyways,
First off : Feeling better now, will be posting up the Acid test asap, and again sorry for the delays (Especialy after I was the one pushing for it to start last week)

Second: Anybody heard from Nephtys? He hasn't been on ENWorld since May.

Now, as to fleshy's character:
First, Thanks Shayuri for bringing everything up so a lot of it got explained allready. And feel free to keep commenting, I like knowing what my Players think about rulings / other characters.
I'll go over a couple of the things you guys talked about, everything else looks like it's been addressed:


Pen DR - I posted about this earlier in the thread, page three:

Ordinarily no, b/c the new Penetrate DR is MATERIALS only, but I'm going to use a bit of a combination between the ELH Pen DR and the new version.
New version works as normal (Pick a material each time) but if you want to Pen Magic or Epic DR, you have to use the ELH version (Adds +2 to your effective weapon's magic rating to determine whether it pens DR). If you have something like Ki Strike that allows you to beat DR/Magic allready, that counts as a +2 effective enhancement, so you would need Pen DR 2X to beat Epic DR. (Or a +4 weapon and the feat once)

Multiple Half-dragons - It does work mechanically, though yes it's a bit cheesy. I allowed it b/c I liked his concept and it's the only way to play a multi-colored dragon.

Age/Levels - Wyrmlings can be up to 5 years old, and as he said, Dragons are highly intelligent, he could've started training right out of the shell (And from what I understand of the backstory, he was born in a place where they have a tendency to do just that). I'm OK with it.
Also, not all Epic characters are epic b/c they've been training for decades, some people/beings are just innately powerful, naturally(or unnaturally as the case may be) good at what they do.
So long as the backstory is fitting, I don't really care how old a character is.
Remember the Rule of Cool

Magic Items - The ELH actually specifically states under Weapons and Armour that they are only examples, and there is no upper limit to the bonus they can give at Epic, I've always assumed the same applied to everything, so long as you're willing to spend the outrageous amounts of money high epic items can cost. This is the first i've ever heard of someone thinking the examples in the ELH are set in stone.
Isn't the point of Epic to go beyond the limits?


I still gotta go look over the sheet myself, but In the mean time, I'm gonna go start up the test thread.

 

[Shayuri]

So be it. You're the GM.

 

[Jemal]

post got ate and then a friend came over. Redoing now.

 

[Jemal]

yay, got it up. OG now.

Combat Test

 

[ishalleatyourflesh]

Shayuri i got a question... how do u turn in to a juvenile force dragon? at 35 hd they are 10 hd above your wild shape, unless you found a errata on master of many forms that lets u add it to your effective druid level for wild shape ... or Jemal let you. I was just wondering because i've had that problem with a character myself. i want the master of many forms for the ability to change into different things but chaffed at my inabilty to change into higher hd monsters.

 

[Shayuri]

There's no errata needed. Master of Many Forms -does- add onto your effective druid level for the purposes of Wild Shape hit dice.

 

[ishalleatyourflesh]

1 i just started to read the begining post again and jemal seems to think it does.

2 at no place anywhere in MoMFs is it mentioned. naturs warrior does, but MoMFs gains inproved Wild shape which is a different ability. it's like a prestige class that lets u do some neat things with spells but doesn't actually increase caster level. not that i'm saying wild shape is based off caster level, but using that as an example and speaking of example

3 in complete adventure the sample MoMFs is 5druid/2MoMF and can wild shape for 5 hours not 7

i agree as a player that it sucks, sucks badly and if i had remembered that jemal thinks it does i would not have mentioned it, but at the same time it's not making u stronger at it just better skilled the same way a lot of spell casting prestige classes don't give full casting

i would ask jemal to ignore me on these matters and forget i said anything