Gaming W/Jemal: War of Gods
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Thursday's the day, ladies and gents. (er.. do we have any ladies in the crowd?)
Anyways, I'll be posting up the Test Start on Thursday, and I'll post a link to it here when I do so.
Rathan, Shayuri, Dharuhk you're all in.
Nephtys, you're good to go if you want, though I'd suggest throwing some gear on, your troll's half nekked. (PS, Nephtys, I also sent you a PM.)
Fenris, haven't heard anything from you in a while, but your characer looked pretty well done last I saw of it, if you'd like in, please say so and post it to the RG by thursday and I'll throw you in.
Ishalleatyourflesh, same thing - If you can get it posted in time for me to give it a once over, you're in too (I generally trust your character gen skills)
Did I miss anybody btw? Rathan, Shayuri, Nephtys, Dharuhk, Fenris, Ishalleatyourflesh..
Anyways, I'll be posting up the Test Start on Thursday, and I'll post a link to it here when I do so.
Rathan, Shayuri, Dharuhk you're all in.
Nephtys, you're good to go if you want, though I'd suggest throwing some gear on, your troll's half nekked. (PS, Nephtys, I also sent you a PM.)
Fenris, haven't heard anything from you in a while, but your characer looked pretty well done last I saw of it, if you'd like in, please say so and post it to the RG by thursday and I'll throw you in.
Ishalleatyourflesh, same thing - If you can get it posted in time for me to give it a once over, you're in too (I generally trust your character gen skills)
Did I miss anybody btw? Rathan, Shayuri, Nephtys, Dharuhk, Fenris, Ishalleatyourflesh..
ishalleatyourflesh
First Post
Okay, sorry for the wait i'm in and up, its not completed and i'm not exactly sure how much money i spent, i'll look in to that soon but my base stats are there... i probly screwd something up, a little hasty sketch it is
I took a look at it...and...erm...
Okay, I guess first off, conceptually the character makes no sense. It's a wyrmling, barely out of the egg, and it's got 29 levels? And it fights with...a pair of katanas. And...okay, here's what REALLY I don't get. Three half-dragon templates. On a dragon. I...that's FOUR HALVES. That's the equivalent of two whole dragons, of four colors, in one dragon. I realize that nothing in the template says you can't take it more than once but...come on. Really.
Mechanically there's some oddities. Not sure if they're illegal or if I just don't know the rules for them, so I'll just run down the list real quick. First, the +26 Iron Tailband thingy. +26? Really? I'm pretty sure attribute boosting items in the game have specific limits on how high they can go. Even at epic levels, +12 seems to be the limit. I may be wrong on this...but I'd like to see chapter and verse if so.
Secondly, you've got +6 enhancement bonuses listed to several attributes, but I don't see the items that grant them listed in your inventory.
Thirdly, did you include the extra costs for size and nonhumanoid when pricing that mithral breastplate?
Fourthly, your movement rates seem very high for a wyrmling. You've got a ground speed of 140, flight of 300, swim of I assume from one of the half-dragon templates and burrow from the same, but both seem much higher than the templates grant. White wyrmlings have a base ground speed of 60. Flight of 150. So where's the speed coming from? Grafts?
Fifthly, your breath save DC is way too high. Class levels don't count. Racial hit dice do. Your DC is 10 + 14 (con bonus + 1 (1/2 racial hit dice) = 25. That goes for your half-dragon breaths too.
Sixthly, you're using...katanas. Two of them. A katana is basically a bastard sword, and a Tiny bastard sword does 1d6 damage, not 1d8. Also, a corollary; you don't have the Two Weapon feats. So...I dunno why you're using two katanas, or where all those attacks are coming from. You do realize you can't use both your BAB iteratives AND your draconic natural attacks, right? You have to pick one or the other. I'm also trying to figure out what combination of bonuses raises your static melee damage bonus to +78 before raging.
Seventhly, your natural armor bonus seems high. Wyrmling whites get +2. If you stack the +4's from your half dragon templates, that's another +12. Pop on the +5 from the amulet, that's +19 total. You've got +24 listed. Where's the other 5 coming from?
Remember that you have to specify which kind of DR your Penetrate DR epic feat applies to. It only works against one type.
Is Fast Heal from a class or an item? This isn't a criticism, I'm just curious.
Okay, I guess first off, conceptually the character makes no sense. It's a wyrmling, barely out of the egg, and it's got 29 levels? And it fights with...a pair of katanas. And...okay, here's what REALLY I don't get. Three half-dragon templates. On a dragon. I...that's FOUR HALVES. That's the equivalent of two whole dragons, of four colors, in one dragon. I realize that nothing in the template says you can't take it more than once but...come on. Really.
Mechanically there's some oddities. Not sure if they're illegal or if I just don't know the rules for them, so I'll just run down the list real quick. First, the +26 Iron Tailband thingy. +26? Really? I'm pretty sure attribute boosting items in the game have specific limits on how high they can go. Even at epic levels, +12 seems to be the limit. I may be wrong on this...but I'd like to see chapter and verse if so.
Secondly, you've got +6 enhancement bonuses listed to several attributes, but I don't see the items that grant them listed in your inventory.
Thirdly, did you include the extra costs for size and nonhumanoid when pricing that mithral breastplate?
Fourthly, your movement rates seem very high for a wyrmling. You've got a ground speed of 140, flight of 300, swim of I assume from one of the half-dragon templates and burrow from the same, but both seem much higher than the templates grant. White wyrmlings have a base ground speed of 60. Flight of 150. So where's the speed coming from? Grafts?
Fifthly, your breath save DC is way too high. Class levels don't count. Racial hit dice do. Your DC is 10 + 14 (con bonus + 1 (1/2 racial hit dice) = 25. That goes for your half-dragon breaths too.
Sixthly, you're using...katanas. Two of them. A katana is basically a bastard sword, and a Tiny bastard sword does 1d6 damage, not 1d8. Also, a corollary; you don't have the Two Weapon feats. So...I dunno why you're using two katanas, or where all those attacks are coming from. You do realize you can't use both your BAB iteratives AND your draconic natural attacks, right? You have to pick one or the other. I'm also trying to figure out what combination of bonuses raises your static melee damage bonus to +78 before raging.
Seventhly, your natural armor bonus seems high. Wyrmling whites get +2. If you stack the +4's from your half dragon templates, that's another +12. Pop on the +5 from the amulet, that's +19 total. You've got +24 listed. Where's the other 5 coming from?
Remember that you have to specify which kind of DR your Penetrate DR epic feat applies to. It only works against one type.
Is Fast Heal from a class or an item? This isn't a criticism, I'm just curious.
ishalleatyourflesh
First Post
ya there are peoples,
first off, i should have posted the back story, this is a remake of Aussir, he's a standard character i use, the one u may or may not have saw was from jemals school campain, he was a koblod that thought he was a baby white dragon, he's been ... "reincarnated" as a white wyrmling, with a few other things... he now thinks he's a baby prismatic dragon. as to the 4 halves, his mother was red and copper his father white and bronze, 4 halves from 2 sources makes quarters he only uses 1 katana, the second one is for non living things, there are no limits after epic for items, other then what u can afford, or the dm says. also how old is your character? a wyrmling can be a few years old and they start far more intlegent then humans do, no wasted child hood, from the day he hatched he could have been learning, thou its not to hard to learn how to be a barbarian
secondly the items:... i was missing con and wis, dex comes from the boots, i should have mentioned i was using an epic charater has these items base when i made the stats and forgot to write them down, gear really takes the longest i don't really feel like more math now
thirdly smaller armour reduces cost, inhuman reases, tiny means they equal.... and i just noticed it says divide armour bonus by 2 that lowers my ac slightlyi'ma gonna change it to a mitheral chain shirt cause the armour is rounded down it actually increases my ac cause of dex
fourthly the speed comes from boots of swiftness, the epic item every one should have, +6 to dex of ther miner bonuses, and 2x all movment speeds
fifthly, the dc is high, most breath weapons i've used just state hit dice, i've mostly used them from other sources, first time haveing a character that actually has one and class levels
sixthly, i'm only using 1 katana at a time 4 attacks for +20 BaB and a sacondary bite, the second string off attacks is proseded by the word "frenzy" as in when the frenzied berzerker goes nuts, 4 BaB attacks, 1 exrta attack from frenzy and secondary. a katana is a master work bastard sword so exotic weapon proff lets u use a bastard in 1 hand rather then 2, the sizing lets me pick a size for the weapons and the strong are bracers lets me use small weapons no penalty, i can use 2x my str bonus when weilding a 1 hand exotic weapon , the bastad sword, in 2 hands instead of 1.5 and u can use both Bab and natural attacks the natural attacks must be made with the free limb so no claws cause i'm using weapon 2 handed but his mouth is free i could even use the armour spikes as a second weapon, would only get a 1 attack thou and all attacks would be at -6, ...not gonna, they there for the ac
seventhly a graft the +5 plating
eightly the pen dr from the epic book, adds +2 to the weapon's enhancement for perpus of dr, its 3.0 remember, that means with +4 weapons i penetrat epic dr
ninthly fasthealing is a graft: healing blood
tenthly i forgot the saves
i did this all as a quick throw stuff at it till it works, don't worry the character will make sense... in it's own way when i RP it. this is in no way completly finished, and not even remotly done being twinked, but that is what the acid test jemal plans is for.
first off, i should have posted the back story, this is a remake of Aussir, he's a standard character i use, the one u may or may not have saw was from jemals school campain, he was a koblod that thought he was a baby white dragon, he's been ... "reincarnated" as a white wyrmling, with a few other things... he now thinks he's a baby prismatic dragon. as to the 4 halves, his mother was red and copper his father white and bronze, 4 halves from 2 sources makes quarters he only uses 1 katana, the second one is for non living things, there are no limits after epic for items, other then what u can afford, or the dm says. also how old is your character? a wyrmling can be a few years old and they start far more intlegent then humans do, no wasted child hood, from the day he hatched he could have been learning, thou its not to hard to learn how to be a barbarian
secondly the items:... i was missing con and wis, dex comes from the boots, i should have mentioned i was using an epic charater has these items base when i made the stats and forgot to write them down, gear really takes the longest i don't really feel like more math now
thirdly smaller armour reduces cost, inhuman reases, tiny means they equal.... and i just noticed it says divide armour bonus by 2 that lowers my ac slightlyi'ma gonna change it to a mitheral chain shirt cause the armour is rounded down it actually increases my ac cause of dex
fourthly the speed comes from boots of swiftness, the epic item every one should have, +6 to dex of ther miner bonuses, and 2x all movment speeds
fifthly, the dc is high, most breath weapons i've used just state hit dice, i've mostly used them from other sources, first time haveing a character that actually has one and class levels
sixthly, i'm only using 1 katana at a time 4 attacks for +20 BaB and a sacondary bite, the second string off attacks is proseded by the word "frenzy" as in when the frenzied berzerker goes nuts, 4 BaB attacks, 1 exrta attack from frenzy and secondary. a katana is a master work bastard sword so exotic weapon proff lets u use a bastard in 1 hand rather then 2, the sizing lets me pick a size for the weapons and the strong are bracers lets me use small weapons no penalty, i can use 2x my str bonus when weilding a 1 hand exotic weapon , the bastad sword, in 2 hands instead of 1.5 and u can use both Bab and natural attacks the natural attacks must be made with the free limb so no claws cause i'm using weapon 2 handed but his mouth is free i could even use the armour spikes as a second weapon, would only get a 1 attack thou and all attacks would be at -6, ...not gonna, they there for the ac
seventhly a graft the +5 plating
eightly the pen dr from the epic book, adds +2 to the weapon's enhancement for perpus of dr, its 3.0 remember, that means with +4 weapons i penetrat epic dr
ninthly fasthealing is a graft: healing blood
tenthly i forgot the saves
i did this all as a quick throw stuff at it till it works, don't worry the character will make sense... in it's own way when i RP it. this is in no way completly finished, and not even remotly done being twinked, but that is what the acid test jemal plans is for.
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Hm...other than the abject goofiness of a tiny little dragon wielding a katana in its two front paws (they're quadrupeds, how does it stand??) I thank you for the clarifications.
Honestly, I still personally disagree with your interpretation of the templates. There's no such thing as a "quarter dragon" template. Furthermore, the whole point of the half-dragon template is that it represents a creature who otherwise lacks draconic qualities that has been crossbred with a dragon...thus gaining some enhanced abilities. What you're doing would be like taking the Half-Fiend template with a succubus and saying she was half marilith. A demon is a demon is a demon. A dragon is a dragon is a dragon. A cross-color dragon, if that's even possible, wouldn't have a template...it'd just be a whole new type of dragon, with age progression and abilities like its parents.
Again, my take. Jemal may disagree.
As for Penetrate Damage Reduction, there's a 3.5 version of the feat in the SRD. You can't cherry-pick 3.0 versions of stuff just because you like them better. Here's the feat as it exists now:
PENETRATE DAMAGE REDUCTION [EPIC]
Select a special material, such as adamantine.
Benefit: The character melee weapons (including natural weapons) are treated as being crafted from the chosen special material for the purposes of bypassing the damage reduction of any creature the character strikes. None of the other special properties of special materials are gained by the character’s melee weapons.
Special: A character can gain this feat multiple times. Each time the feat is selected the character selects a different special material. The character’s melee attacks are treated as being crafted of all chosen materials for the purposes of bypassing damage reduction.
Honestly, I still personally disagree with your interpretation of the templates. There's no such thing as a "quarter dragon" template. Furthermore, the whole point of the half-dragon template is that it represents a creature who otherwise lacks draconic qualities that has been crossbred with a dragon...thus gaining some enhanced abilities. What you're doing would be like taking the Half-Fiend template with a succubus and saying she was half marilith. A demon is a demon is a demon. A dragon is a dragon is a dragon. A cross-color dragon, if that's even possible, wouldn't have a template...it'd just be a whole new type of dragon, with age progression and abilities like its parents.
Again, my take. Jemal may disagree.
As for Penetrate Damage Reduction, there's a 3.5 version of the feat in the SRD. You can't cherry-pick 3.0 versions of stuff just because you like them better. Here's the feat as it exists now:
PENETRATE DAMAGE REDUCTION [EPIC]
Select a special material, such as adamantine.
Benefit: The character melee weapons (including natural weapons) are treated as being crafted from the chosen special material for the purposes of bypassing the damage reduction of any creature the character strikes. None of the other special properties of special materials are gained by the character’s melee weapons.
Special: A character can gain this feat multiple times. Each time the feat is selected the character selects a different special material. The character’s melee attacks are treated as being crafted of all chosen materials for the purposes of bypassing damage reduction.
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