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Please give some exceptional examples where gatekeeping in fandoms is recommendable.
Are there no cases where you think someone should be removed from the community or denounced by it?
Please give some exceptional examples where gatekeeping in fandoms is recommendable.
Did i say the word fandom?Please give some exceptional examples where gatekeeping in fandoms is recommendable.
i gave one because i knew @Xenonnonex would be cocky enough to not think it through and realize there are infinite examples and thus would bet on me not coming up with one. I had a particularly heinous example prepared.Are there no cases where you think someone should be removed from the community or denounced by it?
Your assertion that people advance the gatekeeping narrative through having ugly stories in mind with stereotypical actors and stereotypical motives and then subscribing what it means to be a gatekeeper from this constructed narrative is so far removed from reality as to the point of being ludicrous.Oh this is perfect, especially in the context of what you just quoted.
No, that's not the heart of my contention. I said nothing about "gatekeepers have been unfairly victimized" or that "they have been unfairly stereotyped" or that "they have been unfairly treated" in the passage you quoted. You have to understand, I don't have a model in my head for who these "gatekeepers" are. I have no box labelled "gatekeepers" that I'm trying to stuff people in. For things like your narrative that you use to construct your image of "gatekeepers", I agree that the things the person was doing were wrong, but it doesn't become the template I use to try to fit other people in.
But in the passage you quoted, what I actually said was that people with a narrative definition would try to force everything to fit into their definition. I wasn't asserting anything about past behavior or specific incidents (none of which I'm qualified to speak of). If you would read what I said, what I was asserting was a prediction of future behavior. And in trying to answer me, you just proved me right.
What purpose did it serve other than arguing for the sake of arguing?It wasn't a statement that I had to make, but I felt it was a statement that I ought to make.
No there isnt. They are intimately related.There is a significant difference between removing/blocking bad actors in order to protect the community's more vulnerable members; and gatekeeping, in the context in which we using it, which exclusively is used to protect a community from undesirable others.
Explicit rules banning bad behaviors protects the community's people. Implicit rules targeting people who are different protects the community's purity. One of these is good and a desirable goal, one of these is not.
There, now can we please move on from this frankly idiotic derail now?
You do understand the difference between removing bad actors and telling someone they do not belong somewhere just because?Are there no cases where you think someone should be removed from the community or denounced by it?
There are "others" that its necessary to ban because they are a group with too high a tendancy for really damaging behavior. Pure and simple.There is a significant difference between removing/blocking bad actors in order to protect the community's more vulnerable members; and gatekeeping, in the context in which we using it, which exclusively is used to protect a community from undesirable others.
Explicit rules banning bad behaviors protects the community's people. Implicit rules targeting people who are different protects the community's purity. One of these is good and a desirable goal, one of these is not.
There, now can we please move on from this frankly idiotic derail now?
You are just moving goal posts.You do understand the difference between removing bad actors and telling someone they do not belong somewhere just because?