GC 2006 - Ptolus Hardback $120!?!

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Buttercup said:
I'm not sure what the issue is. Anyone is free to charge whatever they want, and if the market will bear the cost, so be it. No one is forcing anyone else to buy this book, and it's existence, or for that matter the existence of any other expensive RPG book, will not effect the availability of less expensive products.

If you want it and can afford it, then buy it. If you don't want it or can't afford it, then don't. No biggie.:)

pretty much my take, I am interested in Ptolus as a mine for ideas so I think that actually financing an RPG book is just silly, like using a credit card to buy groceries. But none the less some people do it and some people will with Ptolus. Ahhh well, more power to them and to Monte. It his choice to produce it and their choice to buy it.
 

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A'koss said:
This is exactly my issue with it too - despite it's obvious production value, Ptolus comes across like any other generic D&D city. I've got plenty of standard city stuff already...

I'll preface this by saying that I like a lot of Malhavoc's stuff. I think they make some of the most innovative rules crunch out there.

When I look at campaign settings, I want to see something that I don't see somewhere else. I want something unique. I like settings that offers me new territory to explore, new roles to play, etc. That's why I like Dragonlance, Dark Sun, Spelljammer, Eberron, etc. etc. They all offer me something new.

I'm not interested in settings that are more generic, like Greyhawk or the Forgotten Realms.

Monte's design philosophy where settings are concerned is something I'm a bit leary of. He says that he bases settings around rules, and doesn't bend the rules for the setting. To me, that leads to a generic D&D setting. My own design philosophy is that the setting is what draws people to adventure, and that rules can and should be broken or changed where necessary. Hopefully the two can integrate nicely, but feel free to change things if you want.

Sometimes, a setting is great not only for the extra things it adds in, but also for what it takes away. Dragonlance would not be the same if it had lycanthropic half-drow/half-orc psions in it. ;)

I'm not trying to criticize Ptolus or anything. I think that from the standpoint of the package that you get, you get your money's worth. The question is, do you get your money's worth for the setting? Does it provide me with something new? Is there a reason to adventure in Ptolus, rather than in Waterdeep, Greyhawk, Palanthas, and so on?

Basically, I'd like to know more about the selling points of the setting itself.
 

Eosin the Red said:
HERO system 5th Edition Revised can stop a bullet. They even filmed it. It has also been involved in several unfortunate incidents that resulted in hospitalizations for back strain.

To be fair, HERO 5ER cannot stop all bullets.
 

Whoof!

I will most likely not buy this book (and part of me is screaming 'what are you, nuts? Of course you're not buying it!') The price is just too high.

But... I will not say that the described content is not worth it. I will not say that I would not be happy to own it. And I will not say that the installment plan for payment does not tempt me. But I could not justify to myself that kind of expenditure on a single book.

If I made another $200 a month I would have a hard time not clicking the Purchase button on that page. I wish Monte luck with Ptolus, though I think that he is going to need that luck.

The Auld Grump
 

ColonelHardisson said:
"We" don't greenlight anything. Companies will decide whether it's worth the risk to publish such expensive products, and then we decide if we want to buy them. It's not like these will eb the only choices available for us to buy - there are, and will be, plenty of less expensive items to buy.

We do greenlight these things as consumers. If we keep buying the outrageously priced stuff other companies might follow suit figuring it'll work for them as well. RPG stuff has been getting more and more expensive every year. IMO, We dont need an evolutionary leap to the price increase just yet. I just dont want to see this kind of price trend forming.

Who knows, 10 years from now we may need a six figure salary to support our gaming habit. :p

No disrespect intended but Im hoping this endeavor isnt that well recieved. It isnt particularly "fan-friendly". What happens to all the Monte and/or Malhavoc fans that cant afford to buy it (regardless of a "payment" plan)?
 

Wow $120!?!?! That's a bit steep even if they are loading it down with every bell and whistle under the sun. This will definantly be a book in which I wait for reviews and then check out all the discount vendors before buying.

Kane
 

Sunderstone said:
No disrespect intended but Im hoping this endeavor isnt that well recieved. It isnt particularly "fan-friendly". What happens to all the Monte and/or Malhavoc fans that cant afford to buy it (regardless of a "payment" plan)?
I was unaware that Malhavoc Press was a charity.

What happens to those people is the same thing that happens to sports car fans who can't afford a Ferarri. Actually, no. The people who really want this and can't afford it will get the Player's Guide to Ptolus for next to nothing, even for 32 pages of content (compare with how much a 32 page DCC costs). If they think it's still for them, they buy the eight PDFs, one at a time, as they can afford them and have need of them. Since much of the content is extremely high level, it's likely that most people playing a Ptolus campaign won't need it for months or years.

"Fan friendly?" What the heck is that supposed to mean? What's fan friendly is publishers creating a variety of content of all sorts, so that every fan is able to find something that scratches their particular itch. That a $120 extra super mega deluxe campaign book doesn't scratch your itch by no means invalidates it as a product. It's just not one aimed at you.
 

Sunderstone said:
No disrespect intended but Im hoping this endeavor isnt that well recieved. It isnt particularly "fan-friendly". What happens to all the Monte and/or Malhavoc fans that cant afford to buy it (regardless of a "payment" plan)?

You know, the set of people where "can afford to spend $30 every month or two on RPG books" is true, and "can afford to spend $120 every year or two on a deluxe RPG book" is false is not very large. I probably won't buy Ptolus, but that's mostly because I rarely DM, and there is an upper bound on gaming material I buy just for my amusement, not because I can't afford it. It's exactly the sort of thing I'd buy if I did DM, and what I suggested that I'd pay $100 or so for when someone started a thread asking what kind of products could you see in that price range.
 

Whizbang Dustyboots said:
I was unaware that Malhavoc Press was a charity.

You really should brush up on your reading skills. I never said companies were not in business to make money, and Im glad you're heading up Malhavoc's PR now. But thats ok, almost every comment you've made on this topic paints you in the same picture.

BTW, A car is alot different than an RPG gamebook regardless of your using it as an example.
 

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