General star wars talk/discussion/complaining

I like RoTJ, but people who were a few years older than me seemed to have a problem with the ewoks (I think I was like 8 when RoTJ came out in the theater, and it is the first Star Wars movie I recall seeing).
I was an early high schooler and hated the Ewoks. How I Met Your Mother actually used how women felt about the Ewoks as a test for whether the (very sexist) character Barney felt they were young enough to date.
I don't know how people can say any of the new movies are better than A new Hope or Empire.
My nephew, who was late elementary school when TFA came out, knew it was basically the same story as Star Wars, but to his 21st century brain, the OT is glacially paced. Older folks here have pushed back on that idea when I've mentioned it in the past, but the pacing of the OT and the pacing of the ST are both clearly products of their time, and some people will prefer one to the other.
 
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Oooh, I meant sequel trilogy! The prequels were lackluster but I didn't absolutely hate them.

Ah gotcha.

She wasn't to involved with ST story arcs either. Apparently the rush was via Iger (she asked for more time apparently).

The rotating casts of directors is on her and ultimately buck stops with her as head of Lucasfilm (where Iger didn't over rule her).

Ultimately the lack of a plan (due to speed) is probably on Iger. Crappy writing in TLJ is on Rian.

Running lucasfilm ultimately is on her though.
 

I was an early high schooler and hated the Ewoks. I think How I Met Your Mother actually used how women felt about the Ewoks as a test for whether the (very sexist) character Barney felt they were young enough to date.

How old were you when RotJ came out?

My nephew, who was late elementary school when TFA came out, knew it was basically the same story as Star Wars, but to his 21st century brain, the OT is glacially paced. Older folks here have pushed back on that idea when I've mentioned it in the past, but the pacing of the OT and the pacing of the ST are both clearly products of their time, and some people will prefer one to the other.

Yeah pacing is a huge thing with movies from different eras. I tend to prefer older movies because of the slower pacing, and notice this when I recommend them to people. Another thing that we were much more okay with before was the use of sets. A lot of the movies that were playing on TV as a kid used soundstages and I kind of like how they create a fictional world that way (you see this in 70s martial arts movies too). But I've recommended older movies to people and have them say the sets make everything feel too stagey
 

It's only a few people claiming ESB is bad. Usually fans of TLJ.
What? I've literally never heard anyone call ESB bad and TLJ good.

Source or it definitely never happened frankly.

This sounds like something you made up on the spot. Everyone I know who like TLJ thinks ESB is the best OT movie by a mile.
 



Yeah, and I personally think this was one of the largest problems with the sequel trilogy. Just petty BS.
They should definitely not have had three different directors, which was the original plan, especially not three different directors with three different styles entirely - Abrams is a reliable, safe pair of hands kind of guy with a sort of fascination with found footage (which sadly didn't use here lol), Johnson is a much bolder film-maker with a ton of skill and heart, who is all about the interpersonal drama, and Trevorrow... well, he's a misogynistic hack who is only in Hollywood because he knew the right people growing up, so yeah that's his style lol.

Either of the first two, and I think we'd be arguing about whether the ST was better than the OT or not. Like seriously.

Abrams for all three movies, we'd have something nostalgic and genealogy-obsessed, and very much in the old EU tradition, but which probably would have been highly competent and worked well.

Johnson we'd have had something really moving and dramatic, where we all had very strong opinions on the characters and events, and it would probably have been fairly "relevant" feeling rather than nostalgic (which was always Lucas' intention, note), and I think they'd have been pretty well-received because he'd have had the whole of his vision, not just like an interruption.

Trevorrow for all three it'd have been absolute [crap]-show, with mediocre directing, poor-to-bad performances (because he's terrible at getting good perfomances out of people), and incredibly sloppy writing. Also misogyny, because that dude LOVES misogyny. But based on his script Luke would have gone Super-Saiyan so I guess someone might have liked that?

(His script is pretty awful, Jenny Nicholson goes through it here: )
 

I may have overstated opinions on OT sorry, when I reread what led to that I think I misinterpreted original statements in other thread referencing the OT , above par and low bars, that they weren't necessarily calling the OT below par / low bar, but some of the other movies / materials come out since. So apologies for that tangent.
 

What? I've literally never heard anyone call ESB bad and TLJ good.

Source or it definitely never happened frankly.

This sounds like something you made up on the spot. Everyone I know who like TLJ thinks ESB is the best OT movie by a mile.

Just something I've noticed. Mostly a few years back when people pretended toward about TLJ.

These days die hard TLJ fans are few and far between. JJ set up the ST fine (sure we can nitpick it). Follow through was the issue.
 

It's only a few people claiming ESB is bad. Usually fans of TLJ. They can't really elevate their favorite movie to masses so try abd retroactively push the barrat8ve the originals were bad.

Hey, Zardnaar? Speak for yourself. Do not ascribe positions to others - they can speak for themselves.
 

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