Giant by Poll: Post-crash Poll #7: Hide bonus

[Shade]

Giving the giant a whopping... +2 to Hide when immobile!


Which is entirely irrelevant, since it gets a Spot check of 20 when immobile anyway...

You're preaching to the choir.

Personally, I'd rather stick with the camouflage for when immobile, and make the additional +12 when in riparian areas and/or twilight. Anyone like this idea?

 

[dhaga]

Additional +12, as in the Spot DC will become 32 (Camo DC 20 +12) in those situations?

Or are you saying +12 to Hide when in those areas, but NOT immobile; for immobile default to the DC 20 spot due to Camo?

 

[Shade]

+12 to Hide when in those areas, but NOT immobile; for immobile default to Camouflage.

 

[dhaga]

Yes, I would be down with that idea. As Conaill pointed out, for the giant to be "hiding" it would actually need something to Hide behind. It can sit out in the open with Camo and still demand a DC 20 Spot.

Did it end up with ranks in Disguise? Could cover itself with some small bushes (or shrubberies, if you prefer), and maybe increase that DC (at the DM's whim).

 

[Conaill]

+12 to Hide when in those areas, but NOT immobile; for immobile default to Camouflage.

+12 bonus to Hide, for a total of -2? Or a +12 total Hide skill, including size penalties etc.?

I have a feeling that if this poll had been about Hide skill *totals*, we would have gotten a very different result...

"riparian and/or twilight" should probably be rephrased at least. "Riparian" isn't a standard environment descriptor (minor quibble), "and/or" leaves some ambiguity on whether there's an additive bonus of +24 in the "and" case, and "twilight" implies the bonus goes away at night.


How about this:

"An XXX has a +4 racial bonus to Hide. It can attempt a Hide check in hilly terrain or near streams, even if it doesn’t grant cover or concealment. It has an additional +12 racial bonus on any Hide check in such terrrain or in areas of shadowy illumination."

 

[Shade]

+12 bonus. A total modifier of +2 for a Gargantuan creature isn't bad at all.

And I agree, riparian and twilight would need to be worded to better fit the game terms, such as "in forest areas near streams" and "in areas of shadowy illumination".

 

[Shade]

"An XXX can attempt a Hide check in hilly terrain or near rivers, even if it doesn’t grant cover or concealment. In addition, it has a +12 racial on any Hide check in such terrrain or in shadowy illumination."

Yeah, something along those lines.

 

[Conaill]

Added the flat +4 in as well (see above).

I think this is a reasonable compromise:

-10 Hide normally
+2 Hide in hills, near streams, or in twilight
Spot DC 20 when immobile (always, or only under the conditions above?)

 

[dhaga]

I'd vote for Spot DC 20 when immobile, under any condition.

 

[Shade]

I'd vote for Spot DC 20 when immobile, under any condition.

Check out poll #13.