Glove of Storing

[ElectricDragon]

The glove states that you need to snap your fingers to recall the stored item. Pretty hard to do while holding a sword.

If the fighter in question is not in combat; though, where is the problem? Pow! He does it. Next...

In combat, I tend to be very anal about actions for both players and monsters.

The cleric can combine switching the weapon to his shield hand with the move action (much like drawing a weapon, of course this is house rules) and then cast.

Ciao
Dave

 

[Lord Pendragon]

If the fighter in question is not in combat; though, where is the problem? Pow! He does it. Next...

I don't want to poison the responses by going too deeply into my own scenario for asking the question, but let's say I'm interested in the possibility of the glove allowing one to switch weapons, at the start or end of a round, as a free action.

In combat, I tend to be very anal about actions for both players and monsters.

Our DM is just the opposite. He usually doesn't require actions for readying wands, or getting something out of a pack, etc. But I like to be on solid rules ground, myself, before I make any assumptions in his game. I choose not to take advantage of the fact that he doesn't police us as much as he could.

From the responses so far, it seems the board concensus is "no." This does sadden me somewhat. I was considering getting a Glove of Storing if the answer were "yes." But as it is, the price seems fairly outrageous. My PC shall have to find something else to spend his money on.

 

[Trainz]

From the responses so far, it seems the board concensus is "no." This does sadden me somewhat. I was considering getting a Glove of Storing if the answer were "yes." But as it is, the price seems fairly outrageous. My PC shall have to find something else to spend his money on.

I have to disagree. Maybe with whatever scheme you have in your mind (and your apparent reluctance to share it with us does make one wonder) it's not as useful as you'd like, but I can tell you no-one IMC would sell a Glove of Storing. Way too practical.

 

[Hypersmurf]

By a recent Sage Advice ruling, passing an object from one hand to another is a move action.

Well, see, that gets kinda complicated.

Skip Williams, in the 3E Main FAQ, said 'It's a free action'. (Gruntharg's Law.)

More recently, Andy Collins, in the 3.5 Main FAQ, said 'It's a move action'.

More recently still, Skip Williams, in a Rules of the Game article, said 'It's a free action'.

-Hyp.

 

[Terath Ninir]

Calling it a move action is silly even for D&D. No, no, I will go so far as to say it is retarded. Really retarded.

 

[Sammael]

Well, see, that gets kinda complicated.

Skip Williams, in the 3E Main FAQ, said 'It's a free action'. (Gruntharg's Law.)

More recently, Andy Collins, in the 3.5 Main FAQ, said 'It's a move action'.

More recently still, Skip Williams, in a Rules of the Game article, said 'It's a free action'.

-Hyp.

Yes, I am aware of that. However - playing a devil's advocate here - I am pretty certain that the FAQ has precedence over the Rules of the Game article. If all other arguments fail, the FAQ is always a "newer source" because it is constantly updated.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

I have to disagree. Maybe with whatever scheme you have in your mind (and your apparent reluctance to share it with us does make one wonder) it's not as useful as you'd like, but I can tell you no-one IMC would sell a Glove of Storing. Way too practical.

Let me qualify my statement, then, and say that to me, the price of a Glove of Storing is outrageous. It's just not useful enough to justify its price. Obviously, it's more useful to you and yours.

And I take offense at your suggestion that because I didn't want to muddy the waters with specifics, I must have a "scheme" in mind. I've been on these boards long enough to know that if one sets up the full scenario, nine times out of ten you get a dozen posts harping on something you didn't want or need comment on, while fewer respond to what you were actually soliciting opinions about. Standard operating procedure for me these days is to always offer the scenario in a vacuum without particulars, to try and garner responses to the question I am asking, rather than "paladins suck!" "that's broken" or "this is better."

However, since I've already gotten the results to my question, there's no need for further secrecy. I have a paladin who, occasionally, attacks using a mounted lance charge on the back of a griffon. It's a devastating attack, but if the target survives that initial attack, my paladin is left with a 10' reach weapon at 5' range. So he has to switch out his lance for a sword. I'd have been willing to pay the price of a Glove of Storing for a way to switch out his lance for his sword, so that he can begin making sword attacks the round following the charge, without having to spend a full round switching out weapons (I'd rather not have him drop his lance.)

But as it stands now, he'd need two Gloves of Storing to get the effect I want, which is patently too expensive. At least for me. I make no claims about how much you or your group would be willing to pay for any particular combat option, including this one.

 

[Sammael]

Whoa... that's some murky waters right there. Since a lance can only be used one-handed while mounted, the DM could make an argument that it isn't an object normally held in one hand, and, thus, cannot be stored in the glove.

 

[Lord Pendragon]

Whoa... that's some murky waters right there. Since a lance can only be used one-handed while mounted, the DM could make an argument that it isn't an object normally held in one hand, and, thus, cannot be stored in the glove.

He certainly could, if I planned to argue against it. Which is why I started this thread, to see what the general consensus was on the item, before adding additional complications. As it stands, most folks agree that you can't pull off what I originally asked, so it doesn't really matter whether the lance counts as something that can be held in one hand or not.

Though for the sake of discussion, note that the Glove doesn't require the item be wielded in one hand. Just held in one hand. So the question becomes, can you hold a lance in one hand, while not mounted? My answer would be yes.

 

[Brain]

For those who answer 'no', does it change things if his other hand is free? Could he pass the sword to his free hand, recall the axe, switch the weapons around, store the sword, then pass the axe back to his primary hand, all as free actions?

I almost included such a scenario in my first post, but didn't want to include more than was asked for, which it seems you appreciate. In the case of the other hand being free, it would depend on the DM. If I were the DM, I'd say that switching the sword to a free hand was a free action, as well as retrieving the axe, but the act of switching the axe and the sword would be where I drew the line as "no longer a free action". So my answer would still be no, but another's might easily be yes.