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[ArcanistDragonborn]

Hey U_K! While we're on the topic of really, REALLY big monsters, I was wondering if there were any dragons, unique or not, that are significantly more powerful than the Psocodragons? Also, my party's Dragonborn Paladin wanted to get upgrades allowing her to upgrade her "scale type" from Gold to the type of non-mortal dragons like Fey/Shadow/Astral and so on, and I was wondering what would be the best way to do that?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey U_K! While we're on the topic of really, REALLY big monsters, I was wondering if there were any dragons, unique or not, that are significantly more powerful than the Psocodragons?

Yes but I can't reveal it yet, too Meta-crazy.

Also, my party's Dragonborn Paladin wanted to get upgrades allowing her to upgrade her "scale type" from Gold to the type of non-mortal dragons like Fey/Shadow/Astral and so on, and I was wondering what would be the best way to do that?

Dragon Purview has a Boon that lets you change Dragon Colour/type with a Hit Dice limitation.

So if they want to take on Aspects of more powerful dragons that would be the most obvious way I can think of.

 

[ArcanistDragonborn]

Yes but I can't reveal it yet, too Meta-crazy.



Dragon Purview has a Boon that lets you change Dragon Colour/type with a Hit Dice limitation.

So if they want to take on Aspects of more powerful dragons that would be the most obvious way I can think of.

No worries about not being able to reveal it, we've all gotta have our secrets


The Dragon purview thing looks perfect for my party!

 

[ArcanistDragonborn]

Hey U_K! I was wondering, what DR would the Danava/Hekatoncheires Titans from PF2e roughly be in the God Rules?

-Arcane

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hey U_K! I was wondering, what DR would the Danava/Hekatoncheires Titans from PF2e roughly be in the God Rules?

-Arcane

I don't see any reason why they would be considered anything other than an equivalent Challenge Rating in 5e. The Danava seem very like the Empyrean from 5e which was the 'old school' version of the Titan...even though Pathfinder has a few similar flavours of Titan whether good, neutral or evil.

At CR 24 the Hekatonkeres is a watered down version of the Epic Level Handbook monster.

Both look roughly on a par with my version of the Balor (detailed in the book as part of the Balor Bodyguard epic spell) which is only a CR 20 Quasi-deity per my rules*; but a decent bit tougher than the official Balor.

So on the face of it the Pathfinder 2e 'Titans' are about Divine Rank 2 if we convert their stats to my system. However, if I was recreating them then the default Empyrean style-titan would be maybe equal to a Demigod, so CR 24.

Obviously going by the mythology the Hekatonkeres should be at least CR 36.

*Remember that from Challenge Rating 12-13 (approx. a Level 20 PC; albeit one halfway between going nova) each added Divine Rank = 4 Challenge Rating. BUT, the scaling is changed so that:

+4 CR = x2 of lower CR
+8 CR = x3 of lower CR
+12 CR = x6 of lower CR
+16 CR = x10 of lower CR

So 'my' CR 20 version of the Balor is equivalent to 3 Level 20 PCs.

Arguably we could say a Level 20 PC "going nova" is temporarily more like CR 20, so I'm sort of splitting the difference (Base CR 12 vs. Nova CR 20 = average CR 16) but then dropping Challenge Rating down by 4 points because I want to make CR 12/13 the default for 20 Hit Dice.

So on average a Level 20 PC is rated (by me) CR 12/13 with maybe high points hitting 20 but more like a 16 (overall). So just like the PCs, my monsters work out maybe 4 points higher to counterbalance PC power and bring everything back to a level playing field.