Godzilla vs. Garyx, Falzure and Tiamat

[freebfrost]

That kind of depends. The "original" Godzilla was killed by the oxygen destroyer. The subsequent movies were about another monster of the same type, also called Godzilla.

Godzilla was also killed in "Godzilla vs. Desteroyah," when his atomic heart basically entered meltdown. Fortunately, the radiation of his explosive death was absorbed by his son, who then became the "new" Godzilla.

And then the movies after that all seemed to take place in alternate dimensions where none of the events of the previous movies took place.

Not true.

Godzilla 1985 took place after the original and it considered to be the same creature. It was later explained in this cycle that he possessed the ability to regenerate.

That mythology cycle ran through Godzilla Vs. Destroyah, where he did indeed die, however the subsequent movies (the Millennium series) did not purport that Godzilla was the baby Godzilla, but instead went back as sequels to the 1954 original, so he was still the same Godzilla.

The outstanding one from the latest mythology cycle was Giant Monsters All-Out Attack, which again was a direct sequel to the 1954 series (but had a Godzilla that was the incarnation of drowned sailors (huh?) and was "evil" while Mothra, Anguilus, and King Ghidorah are considered "good" Japanese gods - a big change of pace for The King - and the only time he has been one of the good guys.).

 

[demiurge1138]

Final Wars got a very limited release. A week in New York, a week in San Francisco, that sort of thing.

And Final Wars is sort of like a modern Destroy All Monsters infused with a Matrix ripoff. It's a loving tribute to all of the 60's and 70's Godzilla movies. And I do mean all of them. The American Godzilla even gets a cameo.

Demiurge out.

 

[freebfrost]

What Godzilla: Final Wars about?

It's kind of an homage to all the kaiju movies, in the vein of Destroy All Monsters.

Aliens take over the earth and the monsters, with the exception of Godzilla who must save mankind.

It features Manda, Rodan, Gigan, Anguirus, King Seesar, Hedorah, the American Godzilla, Kamacuras (the giant mantis), Kumonga (the giant spider), Ebirah (the giant lobster), Mothra, Minya, a new Monster X, and King Ghidorah.

And Godzilla of course.

(And really bad acting by former UFC champion Don "The Predator" Frye. Is he constipated or what?!)

 

[John Cooper]

Yes, but up until Godzilla 1985 (I was thinking it was Godzilla 1980), which was a direct sequel to the original movie (and which erased all continutiy of the movies that had come between those two), there was no "Godzilla regenerates" theory in place. My understanding was that the movies between those two were based on a "different" creature of Godzilla's race, also conveniently called "Godzilla.".

In any case, the point is kind of moot, because the "reboot" wiped out all of that continuity. The later movies even went back and made Godzilla a "Godzillasaurus" (looking very much like a small Tyrannosaurus, stumpy front legs and all) that was still alive on an island when the atomic bombs went off at the end of World War II.

And in the most recent movies, Godzilla's dorsal fins are all jaggedy-looking, rather like the "new" Godzilla at the end of "Godzilla vs. Destroyah" - I assumed those movies were recounting tales of the "new" Godzilla, as opposed to being direct sequels to the original movie (again).

It's all a bit confusing, isn't it?

 

[John Cooper]

"A New Monster X?" The only "Monster X" (Jiger) I'm aware of is from an old Gamera movie, not a Godzilla movie. Who's this guy?

 

[demiurge1138]

And in the most recent movies, Godzilla's dorsal fins are all jaggedy-looking, rather like the "new" Godzilla at the end of "Godzilla vs. Destroyah" - I assumed those movies were recounting tales of the "new" Godzilla, as opposed to being direct sequels to the original movie (again).

It's all a bit confusing, isn't it?

Yes, especially considering the nature of the Millenium series' continuity. The total Godzill continuity looks something like this -

Showa: Godzilla, King of the Monsters through Terror of Mechagodzilla

Heisei: Godzilla, King of the Monsters, Godzilla 1985 through Godzilla vs. Destoroyah (this contains serious continuty errors. Due to the Futurians screwing with the timeline, Godzilla KOTM, Godzilla 1985 and Godzilla vs. Biollante never happened, but events that took place in those movies (Biollante carrying G-cells into space, the Oxygen Destroyer) happened anyway).

Millennium 1: Godzilla KOTM and Godzilla Millennium

Millennium 2: Godzilla KOTM and Godzilla vs. Megaguirus

Millennium 3: Godzilla KOTM, Godzilla (the American one) and GMK: All Out Monsters Attack!

Millennium 4: Godzilla KOTM, maybe Godzilla vs. Megaguirus, Godzilla X Mechagodzilla, Godzilla Tokyo SOS

Final Wars: Godzilla KOTM, Godzilla: Final Wars

No wonder confusions take place!

Demiurge out.

 

[demiurge1138]

"A New Monster X?" The only "Monster X" (Jiger) I'm aware of is from an old Gamera movie, not a Godzilla movie. Who's this guy?

Monster X is a larval Ghidorah. Specifically, he's the larval form of Kaiser Ghidorah, Kaiser being the Final Wars equivalent of The Chosen One/Super Saiyan. Kaisers have telepathic abilities and nearly god-like powers. So a human Kaiser is the perfect opportunity for a Matrix rip-off

Demiurge out.

 

[John Cooper]

Little wonder, indeed. Thanks, Demiurge!

 

[freebfrost]

Yes, but up until Godzilla 1985 (I was thinking it was Godzilla 1980), which was a direct sequel to the original movie (and which erased all continutiy of the movies that had come between those two), there was no "Godzilla regenerates" theory in place. My understanding was that the movies between those two were based on a "different" creature of Godzilla's race, also conveniently called "Godzilla.".

In any case, the point is kind of moot, because the "reboot" wiped out all of that continuity. The later movies even went back and made Godzilla a "Godzillasaurus" (looking very much like a small Tyrannosaurus, stumpy front legs and all) that was still alive on an island when the atomic bombs went off at the end of World War II.

And in the most recent movies, Godzilla's dorsal fins are all jaggedy-looking, rather like the "new" Godzilla at the end of "Godzilla vs. Destroyah" - I assumed those movies were recounting tales of the "new" Godzilla, as opposed to being direct sequels to the original movie (again).

It's all a bit confusing, isn't it?

Not as confusing as sea rocks acting as dvds...

They are all considered "reboots" and each mythology cycle ignores the previous movies in the cycle (with All-Out.. even ignoring the current cycle was was taking place around it - kind of like Never Say Never in the Bond series.) So the 1954 series was followed by "Showa" series which ended with Terror of Mechagodzilla.

Then Godzilla 1985 ignored all the "Showa" series and started a new cycle, which ended with Godzilla Vs. Destroyah.

Then Godzilla 2000 ignored both the "Showa" and the "Heisei" series and started anew again, ending with Godzilla: Final Wars. (AOA notwithstanding)

Within each mythology series it is considered the same creature as from the original.

He actually changes sizes throughout the second series from 80 - 150 meters, but you can kind of assume he "grows" as he consumes more radiation? They don't really explain that part...

 

[freebfrost]

Millennium 3: Godzilla KOTM, Godzilla (the American one) and GMK: All Out Monsters Attack!

I must have missed the reference to the American one.

Oh, wait... no I just remembered that part now.

"They said it was Godzilla..."