Goliath Monk: Which Unarmed Damage?

[Kmart Kommando]

QFT

Oops, forgot that Monk's Belt was +5 levels.

 

[irdeggman]

By the letter of the rules - no. As a DM I'd likely allow it, since it would be an equivalent gain that other fighting classes get for choosing this race, so I don't see the harm in allowing it for the Goliath monk. Same applies to a Goliath soulknife IMO.

Even though the soulknife specifically gets a short sword sized approriately.

Mind Blade (Su): As a move action, a soulknife can create a semisolid blade composed of psychic energy distilled from his own mind. The blade is identical in all ways (except visually) to a short sword of a size appropriate for its wielder. For instance, a Medium soulknife materializes a Medium mind blade that he can wield as a light weapon, and the blade deals 1d6 points of damage (crit 19–20/x2). Soulknives who are smaller or larger than Medium create mind blades identical to short swords appropriate for their size, with a corresponding change to the blade’s damage. The wielder of a mind blade gains the usual benefits to his attack roll and damage roll from a high Strength bonus.

 

[evilbob]

Even though the soulknife specifically gets a short sword sized approriately.

Actually, that's a pretty good side-question: what kind of sword is "sized appropriately" for a goliath? (Or did I just make a sex joke?)

 

[irdeggman]

Actually, that's a pretty good side-question: what kind of sword is "sized appropriately" for a goliath? (Or did I just make a sex joke?)

Well is a goliath a medium or large sized creature?

They are medium.


What is size for a weapon?

Weapon Size: Every weapon has a size category. This designation indicates the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed.

A weapon’s size category isn’t the same as its size as an object. Instead, a weapon’s size category is keyed to the size of the intended wielder. In general, a light weapon is an object two size categories smaller than the wielder, a one-handed weapon is an object one size category smaller than the wielder, and a two-handed weapon is an object of the same size category as the wielder.

So a medium creature uses a medium size weapon. Hence an appropriates sized weapon for a goliath would be a medium sized one.

This is per the RAW, of course.

 

[NilesB]

If you have to be careful allowing it. The next logical step of the player is to see if the feat improve natural weapons will apply. Now you will have monk's hand damage 2 catagories larger.

Oh noes!!! Monks might be able to deal only slightly less damage than other melee characters at much less accuracy! The sky, it is falling!!



By the rules as written, just as clearly as Monks do qualify for improved natural attack, Goliath Monks don't deal unarmed damage as a large Monk. That doesn't mean it would be unbalanced for them to do so though.

 

[evilbob]

So a medium creature uses a medium size weapon. Hence an appropriates sized weapon for a goliath would be a medium sized one.

I dunno, though; a goliath can use a large-sized weapon without penalty, and they are considered large for certain things when it is advantageous to them... I understand that you're saying a strict reading of the RAW indicates "medium" is "sized" for a medium creature regardless, but I also think the goliath description makes a good case for large-sized weapons being "sized appropriatly" for them. Eh; it's a judgement call, I say.

 

[glass]

Actually, that's a pretty good side-question: what kind of sword is "sized appropriately" for a goliath? (Or did I just make a sex joke?)

I'd say, based on nothing much at all admittedly, that any size of weapon they can wield without penalty is sized appropriately. So, either medium or large in the case of a goliath.


glass.

 

[glass]

By the rules as written, just as clearly as Monks do qualify for improved natural attack...

Have you not seen the threads on that subject? Some of us think that they quite clearly don't. Not that I rreally want to debate that again.


glass.

 

[cignus_pfaccari]

I dunno, though; a goliath can use a large-sized weapon without penalty, and they are considered large for certain things when it is advantageous to them... I understand that you're saying a strict reading of the RAW indicates "medium" is "sized" for a medium creature regardless, but I also think the goliath description makes a good case for large-sized weapons being "sized appropriatly" for them. Eh; it's a judgement call, I say.

Personally, for the mindblade, were I to make a call, I'd say the goliath gets the Medium version, and the half-giant, being naturally psionic to begin with, gets the Large version.

Admittedly, that's not terribly well-thought-out, but it's my gut judgement call. (I love goliaths, and think that half-giants need more love in general)

Brad

 

[irdeggman]

I'd say, based on nothing much at all admittedly, that any size of weapon they can wield without penalty is sized appropriately. So, either medium or large in the case of a goliath.

glass.

So if a creature has monkey grip (3.5 version) then a weapon of category one size larger would be "appropriately sized" for them too?