Good Cleric with Command Undead

[Omegaxicor]

I think you misunderstood what I meant by "Default", I don't mean that ALL Human clerics worship Pelor and to worship another deity is unusual, I mean that if ANY of my players say they are Human Clerics, I decide everything on the basis that they worship Pelor (because most of my Human PCs do) if the player says ok I want these domains which make me a Cleric of Heironeous/Kord (or any other non racial deity) then that is fine but it takes a few days to decide the whole character so it saves time if I just assume they serve Pelor

I know 100% that RAW it is normally IMPOSSIBLE but I was just curious if there was a god who hates Necromancers (for abusing Undead) but doesn't hate the undead (since they really have no power to resist being raised or being ordered to commit evil acts)

and I really like the idea of serving Pelor and becoming a Cleric of Nerull slowly (I don't really wanna use the obvious similarity with a certain good hero corrupted by the dark powers) but I don't think the player will appreciate becoming evil (least of all the other players who aren't) and since Nerull can't have good clerics, it would cause more problems than it solves

 

[RUMBLETiGER]

and I really like the ideas of serving Pelor and becoming a Cleric of Nerull slowly (I don't really wanna use the obvious similarity with a certain good hero corrupted by the dark powers) but I don't think the player will appreciate becoming evil (least of all the other players who aren't) and since Nerull can't have good clerics, it would cause more problems than it solves

Wee Jas would love to help you with that struggle, but she expects total obedience is she does.

 

[Omegaxicor]

It doesn't sound like you want real feedback, though, it sounds like you want someone to affirm that, yes, this is fine. If your mind is made up, it's made up, but why are you asking? If you're genuinely interested in the responses, why are you ignoring the ones that don't agree with your conclusion?

ignoring?

I have paid attention to all the responses,
1) He can't wield positive and Negative energy at the same time
2) Pelor (or any good deity) wouldn't want the undead to get their revenge just destroy them and take it for them
3) Maybe the positive energy he wields cancels the negative energy the Necromancer used so as to give intelligent undead (or unintelligent undead imo) "free will"
4) Serve Wee Jas and choose to be a good negative energy wielding Cleric
5) Serve no-one and decide your own beliefs (which I don't think would give Divine powers)

I have probably missed some off the top of my head but I am hardly ignoring the responses

I only want to clarify two points, which I think most people have grasped by now, one that he isn't definitely serving Pelor and two I don't want him to command undead simply free them. now the only point left for discussion IMHO is, is there a balancing rule against the cleric having the power (even if it meant creating a new deity for fluff purposes)

If anything I was more convinced of my argument when I posted looking for the mechanical aspect of it, now I am leaning away from it

 

[Omegaxicor]

Wee Jas would love to help you with that struggle, but she expects total obedience is she does.

Having a Lawful neutral Cleric with a party (at the moment) Lawful good and Good neutral is very interesting, good roleplaying opportunities

 

[Arrowhawk]

Historically, the Catholic church ...and many others, have subscribed to the "ends justify the means." They have wantonly endorsed if not commanded their operatives to commit horrible crimes in the name of their god. Inquisition anyone?

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Historically, the Catholic church ...and many others, have subscribed to the "ends justify the means." They have wantonly endorsed if not commanded their operatives to commit horrible crimes in the name of their god. Inquisition anyone?

To be more accurate, your first sentence should have opened with "On occasion" or "Periodically" or the like. Every current world religion has had its dark periods when personal agendas overrode religious doctrine...or where the faith's doctrines were perverted to wicked ends.

But generally speaking, they don't make a practice of that kind of behavior- its the exception rather than the rule.

 

[RUMBLETiGER]

I'd still like to point out that a Lawful Neutral multiclass Cleric/Dread Necromancer where the Cleric side is positive energy... would be potentially very fun to play RP wise. And could be progressed my Mystic Thurge.

Oh, and would solve this dilemma.

 

[Empirate]

I'd still like to point out that a Lawful Neutral multiclass Cleric/Dread Necromancer where the Cleric side is positive energy... would be potentially very fun to play RP wise. And could be progressed my Mystic Thurge.

Oh, and would solve this dilemma.

RP-wise, yes. But would it actually be fun to play, gimped as it is (barring early entry cheese)? Probably not.

 

[Omegaxicor]

I'd still like to point out that a Lawful Neutral multiclass Cleric/Dread Necromancer where the Cleric side is positive energy... would be potentially very fun to play RP wise. And could be progressed my Mystic Thurge.

Oh, and would solve this dilemma.

I will show that to the player (he doesn't have a copy of the Heroes of Horror) but I don't know if he will like the multiclass aspect of that plan

If he goes a Negative energy Cleric can he still cast Cure spells or does he lose them? (I know he can't cast them spontaneously but can he cast them at all

 

[Arrowhawk]

To be more accurate, your first sentence should have opened with "On occasion" or "Periodically" or the like. Every current world religion has had its dark periods when personal agendas overrode religious doctrine...or where the faith's doctrines were perverted to wicked ends.

But generally speaking, they don't make a practice of that kind of behavior- its the exception rather than the rule.

No, it's not the exception. Religious institutions have historically been about control/power. The entire colonization...(snip)

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