Goodman Games solicits input

[Falstaff]

DDCs for HackMaster Basic!

 

[joela]

DDCs for HackMaster Basic!

DDCs for MRQ/BRP!

 

[Scribble]

I find it interesting that people jump to the negative when reading this... IE his decision to branch out means either the DCC line is failing, or 4e is failing or whatever...

I think it just means he's a relatively smart business guy. There are groups of consumers that he could be serving/getting money from, that he is not currently leveraging, so why not start doing so?

 

[joela]

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i think it just means he's a relatively smart business guy. There are groups of consumers that he could be serving/getting money from, that he is not currently leveraging, so why not start doing so?

+1.

 

[JoeGKushner]

I remember hearing about ye old Razor Coast but how's it actually working?

Anyone using it? How's the various systems working on it?

Or is this still in process from... '08 I want to say?

Some great little adventure gems and nuggets of neaties from the line but the Razor Coast itself I don't think has been published and basing a game plan on someone that's been trying to do something that sounds like what you want to do, but actually hasn't done it?

If I'm wrong please give me a link. I'd be very interested in seeing what the final looks like.

I'd be interested, especially like the systemless with download appropriate stats option. Fan favorite Nicolas Logue of Sinister Adventures already plans something similar for his lineup:

The Razor Coast

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Purchase a print edition of this Dark Vista and get PDFs configured for multiple game systems for free. Purchase a PDF and get addtional PDFs compatible with other game systems for free as well.

 

[ggroy]

4E was doing super well for him, right? Then why are we even having this conversation? Has so much changed in just 4 months?

One word: Pathfinder.

The question is whether the hardcore crowd (ie. people who regularly buy rpg books) is petering out for 4E, and/or steadily increasing for Pathfinder.

 

[DaveMage]

One word: Pathfinder.

Not according to Chris Sims.

When he was laid off from WotC last month, he posted here that there was D&D - and nothing else is even close.

Pathfinder should have no significant impact if what he says is valid.

 

[ggroy]

Not according to Chris Sims.

When he was laid off from WotC last month, he posted here that there was D&D - and nothing else is even close.

Pathfinder should have no significant impact if what he says is valid.

In Goodman's case, the question is how many of WotC's customers are also buying his books. If not enough people are buying Goodman's 4E titles, it doesn't matter how many books WotC sell. (What exactly is "enough" people in Goodman's calculations, is largely unknown outside of Joe Goodman's brain).

What's unknown at this point is whether Pathfinder versions (or any other system) of Dungeon Crawl Classics, will bring in enough paying customers independent of the already existing 4E customer base for DCC.

 

[jaerdaph]

I have no doubt that 4e D&D is the top dog with the lion's share of the market, and nobody else can get close. The problem is, most 4e players aren't buying 3PP 4e products for a variety of reasons from they can't use them with the DDI, to they have no respect for the quality of 3PPs based on their actual experiences or (more likely) misconceived perceptions based on the days of the d20/OGL glut.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the majority of people buying 3PP products right now are doing so for something other than 4e.

Look at Adamant Entertainment - they aren't really releasing anything for 4e, d20 Modern, or True20 anymore. They've found Savage Worlds and Pathfinder.

Ultimately, 3PPs have to follow the money.

 

[ggroy]

One easy way to "test" out the market, would be for Goodman to release the next DCC as a low level (ie. levels 1 to 3) inexpensive module (ie. maybe a $6 or $7 module with 64 pages or more) in two different versions: 4E and Pathfinder.

The pattern of sales and backorders will probably give a good idea as to how popular a Pathfinder version will be, relative to its 4E version.