Grappling a water elelmental????

[KenM]

I friend of mine just told me about a 3E game he was playing in, they were having trouble with a watter elemental. They took care of it buy having another PC change into a crocidile and GRAPPLE it. I would not think you can grapple an elemental. Except maybe earth. Thoughts? any idea if this will be changed in 3.5?

 

[Destil]

As a DM I think I'd agree and give a water/air elemental a +20 or so bonus to opposed grapple rolls to escape. That's a pure house rule, though (thinking about it I'm guessing they should have some massive bonus to escape artist).

Fire elementals should likewise be dealing burn damage to someone who grapples them... house rule, again.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Crocodile - Size Medium, Str 19.

If he could manage it, he'd have been better changing into an Orca - Size Huge, Str 27.

Whales have much better grapple modifiers than crocodiles.

-Hyp.

 

[geezerjoe]

I'd think that there would be some form of underlying magical structure to an elemental that keeps it together on our plane ... which would explain how they can do things like Slam attacks. I would however give all elementals (even earth) a real bonus to graple checks ... like +4 or +6 ... since the underlying structure can easily move and flow but the grappler would have an idea of what the creature was doing and thus be able to respond. And of course the elemental would gain it's familurarity bonus for having contact with it's element.

I would however penalize a creature with short stubby arms and or legs in grapple attempts ... just doesn't seem right otherwise ... unless the croc was grappling with it's mouth??? *shrug*

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Joe2Old

 

[Hypersmurf]

I would however penalize a creature with short stubby arms and or legs in grapple attempts ... just doesn't seem right otherwise ... unless the croc was grappling with it's mouth??? *shrug*

Given the whole "Death Roll" thing, I wouldn't have any problem with giving a crocodile Improved Grab, even!

Grabbing and holding on is what they're all about...

-Hyp.

 

[LokiDR]

By the rules, all the elementals are solid, even water and air. If they were somehow intangible, should they get the benefits of 10/+1 or only hit by magic and 50% miss chance?

I don't think elementals will be intangible in 3.5. I would apply the burn and the fire damage on grappling a fire elemental, as that is pretty much straight out of the description of the elemental.

 

[smetzger]

By the rules a horse can grapple an air elemental.

 

[Hypersmurf]

By the rules a horse can grapple an air elemental.

I maintain that whales make better grapplers

-Hyp.

 

[LokiDR]

If an ooze can grapple and be grappled, so can any other tangible creature in the game.

 

[Magus Coeruleus]

If you want, you could always give certain elementals ranks in Escape Artist.