Grognard's First Take On 4e

[GoodKingJayIII]

Possibly because his quote says "opinions on 4e" and he hasn't seen "4e" yet, only the preview adventure. That's like judging a movie from a teaser trailer.

I personally have found teaser trailers pretty helpful determining what movies I want to see.

That said, I'm not sure that's the best analogy, because a game system is a complex animal with a lot of moving parts (a morning for mixed metaphors!). I suspect a myriad of information has been cut out of KotS in order to create a playable preview adventure.

That said, it's probably still a decent gauge of the new edition. It's a shame elijah didn't like it, but a lot of people didn't like 3rd edition either. And that's perfectly cool.

Elijah, I'd say after June 6, next lazy Saturday you get, head over to Borders or B&N or your FLGS and sit down with the PHB and DMG for a while and give them a thorough perusal. I think that's the best way to give a fair shake without spending more unnecessary dough.

 

[Lacyon]

But how can you have that opinion? You haven't seen "4e" yet, only the preview adventure. That's like judging a movie from a teaser trailer.

Faith isn't judgment.

 

[phil500]

mashing together of fluff, tactical encounters, and monster stats in the same page.

this is how I knew this was a troll job

 

[vagabundo]

I personally have found teaser trailers pretty helpful determining what movies I want to see.

That said, I'm not sure that's the best analogy, because a game system is a complex animal with a lot of moving parts (a morning for mixed metaphors!). I suspect a myriad of information has been cut out of KotS in order to create a playable preview adventure.

That said, it's probably still a decent gauge of the new edition. It's a shame elijah didn't like it, but a lot of people didn't like 3rd edition either. And that's perfectly cool.

I dont think you can get a good feel for what the game is unless you actually play it and give it a good shake.

Still I'm sure a lot of people are still very happy with 3e, if so dont change. That simple really. If it aint broke for ya, dont .....

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

You are allowed to be convinced that 4e will be awesome, even though you haven't seen it. This is not close-minded.

You are not allowed to be convinced that 4e will suck, even though you haven't seen it. This is close-minded.

Even though both groups have been exposed to the exact same limited data on which to form an opinion, the validity of your opinion around these parts is entirely dependent on what ill-informed judgment you eventually arrive at.

 

[Midknightsun]

Hey, if you're gaming and having fun, regardless of the edition, then more power to you. Too few of us gamers out there to be jumping all over each other for a difference in gaming style. . .

That said I plan on picking KotSF up tonight and give it a once over. I'm not a grognard by any means though, so I may have a different take on it. That and I am more than happy to put 3.5 in storage regardless of what system I intend to switch over, so we'll see how it rolls.

 

[Cadfan]

1. Its fair to judge a movie from a teaser trailer. Its what trailers are for.

2. Doesn't always mean your judgment will be accurate.

3. 4e isn't 3e, so if your test was "does this feel like 3e," the answer will be "no."

4. Not everyone who says they gave something a fair chance actually did so.

5. No one has an obligation to like 4e.

6. Some dislike 4e based on an accident of history- they, personally, are not in the mood for a new RPG, and they interpret their lack of interest in buying a new RPG as a flaw in the RPG itself.

7. Unconditional fandom and unconditional hatedom are not two sides of the same coin.

8. Bias in favor of having fun, enjoying things, and looking forwards to the future is a positive character trait.

 

[neoweasel]

Huh. I have exactly the opposite reaction from mhensley (OK, not EXACTLY opposite since I wasn't playing the fighter but you get the picture). Our fighter seemed extremely tough, going toe-to-toe with a couple of enemies in an ambush long enough the rest of the party to clear a flank and come back to reinforce him. To me, that's heroism.

That's a platoon holding down half a battle so the company can reorganize and overcome significant opposition and STILL being in pretty good condition at the end of it. It's not quite Alvin York or Audie Murphy or anything, but they were totally Paragon level characters or something.

 

[vagabundo]

You are allowed to be convinced that 4e will be awesome, even though you haven't seen it. This is optimistic.

You are not allowed to be convinced that 4e will suck, even though you haven't seen it. This is pessimistic.

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[GoodKingJayIII]

I dont think you can get a good feel for what the game is unless you actually play it and give it a good shake.

Completely agree, but that's not always feasible.

If he wants to run the game, I think he can do so with KotS and get a good approximation. Then he can check out the Core books and maybe he'll see some new rules and things that he couldn't experience in Shadowfell.

Not everyone has $90 to spend on the core. Some just may not want to.