Growing PDF awareness

Hey Nell.

You won.

Really.

I sat down and figured out how much work it takes to make the portrait smaller font art-free edition from a landscape art-rific edition.

4-5 hours for a 140 page landscape to 100 page portrait document.

So, this weekend we will be releasing Four-Color to Fantasy in both formats. And I'll continue doing this for all products I do layout on.

HOWEVER -

I don't do all our layout. We also employ the very talented Duncan Fieldan who does great work, but I'm not going to tack on another half-day of work to the days he already spends on our products.
 

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Flyspeck23 said:
That sure is fast.
It is fast, but doable. It all depends on the document. I've found that the amount of images and such greatly affects the time involved.

And that's another thing. If you're going to size down a PDF like this, there are also the images to take into account. Sure, you could do a simple resize in the layout program, but I'm a big stickler for getting the PDF file size as small as possible while still retaining an acceptable quality in the images. So to do a second layout, I would have to bring every image in my document into Photoshop and resize them. It's doable, but it's another added time constraint.

Anyone else have that problem?
 

It was, indeed, a LOT faster than I anticipated.

But this was taking a graphical layout and converting it to a non-graphical layout. Since all the formatting was done besides having to move around a few forced page breaks, it wasn't TOO outrageous. Trying to do the same thing but including graphical elements (and thus more advanced layout) would have taken me a LOT longer. The original (graphical) document in question took me about 40 hours to build.

Dimwhit: Regarding resizing graphics, I've found that Quark XPress and Adobe Acrobat work well together and I can resize graphics willy-nilly in the document and they come out at the DPI I ask for in the final PDF.

However, in this case, the second layout contains NO graphical elements. Nothing at all. Not a sausage. Makes the rebuild a lot easier, basically just cut-and-paste of the formatted text, and then going through and grabbing all the tables (Quark leaves all tables as seperate items, not linked to the text chain) and inserting them as appropriate in the document.

The only REAL pain in the butt is that all the page references in the document are now out-of-whack, so I have to get the author to go through this new version and dig up all the old references and figure out where they should aim now in the 100 page version.
 

Nellisir said:
<SNIP>

The best way, the most reliable way, and very likely the only way to increase pdf awareness is the slow process of converting occasional buyers to frequent buyers, and one-time buyers into repeat customers. And the best way to do that is to increase the quality of pdfs, in ALL aspects, as high as we can, as far as we can, as best we can.

<SNIP>

Phew
Nell.

Read this section again, very carefully. Convert occasional buyers into frequent buyers... convert one-time buyers into repeat customers...

Where are the new customers? This strategy increases sales, but not awareness.

PS
 

HellHound said:
Dimwhit: Regarding resizing graphics, I've found that Quark XPress and Adobe Acrobat work well together and I can resize graphics willy-nilly in the document and they come out at the DPI I ask for in the final PDF.
I haven't used Quark for a while. I assumed InDesign was the same way. But I seem to be able to get a smaller PDF is I make the original image file smaller when resizing. I don't know why, because that shouldn't be the case.

But having no graphics in your 100-page version, it makes more sense that you could redo the layout so quickly. No graphics makes a huge difference in time.
 

Storminator said:
Read this section again, very carefully. Convert occasional buyers into frequent buyers... convert one-time buyers into repeat customers...
Where are the new customers? This strategy increases sales, but not awareness.
PS

It's just pushing the margins out. A greater number of regular pdf-buyers will contact a greater number of non-pdf buyers, some of whom will hopefully become buyers.

Nell.
 

If people really want to grow PDF awareness, there is one surefire way to get it noticed. Take a page from Gold Rush Games and take it a step further.

As an Action! System and D20 licensee, I've had to pick up a few dual system products to take a good look at how it has been done in the past. One of the products I picked up was Thing at Ridley Manor in PDF format. As I went through it, one thing I noticed was the plethora of small ads embedded throughout the product, in sidebars, at the bottoms of pages, etc. 8 such ads in 18 pages, plus a full page ad on the last page.

Seems like a questionable advertising tactic for a product people are paying for, but it occurs to me that this tactic may actually be a good thing under the right circumstances. Those circumstances are print publications. Whether using traditional or POD printing, it is expensive to add an extra page of advertising or catalogs to the back of a book. However, there always seems to be a bit of dead white space floating around on many pages of a book, and these spaces are big enough to drop in some sort of advertising.

So that's the idea. when PDF publishers go to print with one of their products, drop some of this sort of advertising into the book. Not a lot, just a little, as I think now thatGRG's usage is rather close to overkill, with almost an ad every other page. If enough of us stick to this concept for a sufficient length of time (I'm talking years, not weeks or months), I think the PDF market will eventually see some noticeable improvement. Don't have enough product to fill more than 1 or 2 of those spaces? Drop an add in for RPGnow, pointing to your manufacturer page. Or swap space with another publisher.

Another thing I want to point out is that this and several similar threads in the last 6 months have all been discussed revolving around a single improper expectation. A lot of people seem to be under the impression that doing something to improve the industry should produce instant results. That isn't the case, folks. Even the publisher pack being advertised in Polyhedron is a short-term project that isn't likely to produce significant results within its given timeframe. If you want to see the PDF industry improve, you need to stick to your guns for a few years, not a few weeks or months.

Going back to the publisher pack, while running it for a short duration in Polyhedron is the right way to handle it, that shouldn't be the end of handling it. After the 12/1 deadline passes, there should be advertising in another magazine, same package, different coupon code and duration. When that deadline passes, do the same thing again, etc. Expecting it to accomplish what you want in just two short months, well, you may as well wander over to the local church and threaten the priest into performing miracles, since that will be about as effective.

Since this soap box is starting to creak and teeter, I think I'll get off it now.
 

While I somewhat agree with you (HOLD ON A SECOND - Since when am I agreeing with you about ANYTHING? We haven't seen eye to eye since our first interactions in the old days on frp.cyber)about advertising the Polyhedron package elsewhere... the true strength of that package (and the reason we managed to get some of the products on board) was that it wasn't being covered by an ad, but was part of an article paid for by Polyhedron (instead of the reverse, paying for an ad in Polyhedron).
 

As has already been noted you can reformat a doc surprisingly quickly if:
  1. You use master pages so you can adjust the entire page layout at once,
  2. You use style sheets -- both paragraph styles and character styles -- for all text formatting,
  3. You use good hyphenation settings to eliminate widows, and
  4. You use the application's built in "keep" rules, like "keep with next paragraph" for all heads and subheads, and "keep first x lines" and "last y lines" together for every paragraph style.
The last item saves a ton of time on reflowing.

Edited for tags.
 
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